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"You've ridden disc brakes, right?
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Warning: wall of text to follow, primarily aimed at "on the path" as it mostly just confirms everything we've discussed as pros and cons of disc and rim brakes. Most don't need to read.
So @on the path yeah we all know "anyone can say anything". But let's see what some folks have to say on cycling sites where they have a reputation at stake, vs. Anonymous Keyboard Warriors like us. Yeah I know, the best part about Conspiracy Theories is that they can't be disproven. Any contrary evidence is just dismissed as "part of the conspiracy". So if that's your stance, you can stop reading here. 2016 article: https://www.bikeradar.com/features/r...-need-to-know/ Remember this is in the early days of disc on road bikes, so many improvements have happened since this article was written, but even so here are some key points from it...
Originally Posted by on the path
(Post 21104673)
Um, I'll declare that rim brakes categorically are just as good as disc brakes. And disc brakes are good enough. And heavy. And expensive. And overly complicated for the application.
I realize that this is the 41, but how can a thread like this contain no meaningful mention of tires? Tires are the single most significant component of any vehicle braking system. Ever hear - "your car is only as good as its tires"? When you're done "modulating" it's all up to the tires.
So everything we've been discussing has been borne out in those various links. You know what they all agree on? That disc brakes have better stopping power and modulation. You're the only one claiming rim are equal to disc brakes in braking performance. |
Originally Posted by CarloM
(Post 21104856)
Warning: wall of text to follow, primarily aimed at "on the path" as it mostly just confirms everything we've discussed as pros and cons of disc and rim brakes. Most don't need to read.
So @on the path yeah we all know "anyone can say anything". But let's see what some folks have to say on cycling sites where they have a reputation at stake, vs. Anonymous Keyboard Warriors like us. Yeah I know, the best part about Conspiracy Theories is that they can't be disproven. Any contrary evidence is just dismissed as "part of the conspiracy". So if that's your stance, you can stop reading here. 2016 article: https://www.bikeradar.com/features/r...-need-to-know/ Remember this is in the early days of disc on road bikes, so many improvements have happened since this article was written, but even so here are some key points from it... From a 2019 road.cc article which is relatively pro-rim (or maybe better classified as anti-disc): https://road.cc/content/feature/2562...ut-disc-brakes Pretty balanced pro/con going to disc: https://www.bicyclenetwork.com.au/ti...vs-rim-brakes/ Modulation, as discussed in this article: https://www.bikeradar.com/features/h...ke-modulation/ Funny you should mention the importance of tires. From the 2016 bikeradar article: So yeah, tires are important, and disc brakes allow you to put the very best tires and rims to suit your braking needs. Also not to be lost in the benefits: comfort So everything we've been discussing has been borne out in those various links. You know what they all agree on? That disc brakes have better stopping power and modulation. You're the only one claiming rim are equal to disc brakes in braking performance. And you totally missed the point about tires. It's not about size or comfort. It's about grip. And it's the same with bicycles. The grip of the tires' contact patch has a lot more to do with stopping power than any type of braking system. And please, spare us the term "modulation." That's just parroting industry speak and a go to response from someone who really doesn't understand what he's talking about. Have a great night! |
I look forward to your provision of independent testing. Until then you're doing the adult equivalent of a child plugging their ears with their fingers and yelling "nananananana" while namecalling because you are hearing things you don't want to hear.
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Originally Posted by on the path
(Post 21104673)
Um, I'll declare that rim brakes categorically are just as good as disc brakes. And disc brakes are good enough. And heavy. And expensive. And overly complicated for the application..
Maybe for simpletons . |
Originally Posted by on the path
(Post 21104897)
So now we're down to 'everybody says so' as our validation and proof? This is perfect for the 41!! How about independent testing? I'll take a look at results from a rigorous, thorough independent test. The rest is just nonsense.
And you totally missed the point about tires. It's not about size or comfort. It's about grip. And it's the same with bicycles. The grip of the tires' contact patch has a lot more to do with stopping power than any type of braking system. And please, spare us the term "modulation." That's just parroting industry speak and a go to response from someone who really doesn't understand what he's talking about. Have a great night! |
Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest
(Post 21104981)
Why the trolling?
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Originally Posted by seypat
(Post 21105036)
Time to call in the riot police before the demonstration becomes violent. Close it down. Now.
If it's locked down we'll never get to see it pop up as a zombie thread. If you don't like the thread, stay out of it. No one is making you follow it. |
Originally Posted by noodle soup
(Post 21105041)
If it's locked down we'll never get to see it pop up as a zombie thread.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
(Post 21105041)
Noooooooo!
If it's locked down we'll never get to see it pop up as a zombie thread. If you don't like the thread, stay out of it. No one is making you follow it. |
Originally Posted by tomato coupe
(Post 21105083)
Not only will it come back as a zombie thread, someone will ask "what's a rim brake?" when it does.
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Originally Posted by seypat
(Post 21105036)
I'm sorry to disappoint you, but it looks like the trolling is coming hard from both sides. Each side frothing at the mouth waiting to throw down. Time to call in the riot police before the demonstration becomes violent. Close it down. Now.
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Originally Posted by on the path
(Post 21104600)
I'm sure it happens but I've not heard of anyone wearing out a brake track on a rim.
When I used to live in the mountains I used a mountain bike with rim brakes a lot due to the weather. I could tell when the rim was gone because it would get a low spot near the seam and make a bad thump every time the pads squeezed it. I did a century in a rainstorm in the mountains with lots of descending. The road grit turned the aluminum of the rim into a thick, black slurry which was flung all over everything. Not to mention I had to ride the brakes if I wanted to have any braking at all. |
Originally Posted by seypat
(Post 21105096)
Well, if you are going to accuse someone of trolling, you need to quit doing it yourself.
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Originally Posted by on the path
(Post 21104897)
And please, spare us the term "modulation." That's just parroting industry speak and a go to response from someone who really doesn't understand what he's talking about. Have a great night! Rim brakes I have used go from pretty good to absolute crap. Being over 200 pounds I sometimes wish for more power on steep descents. Have not tried road discs yet but I'd like to. |
Originally Posted by noodle soup
(Post 21105133)
where is this accusation of trolling?
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Originally Posted by on the path
(Post 21104897)
So now we're down to 'everybody says so' as our validation and proof? This is perfect for the 41!! How about independent testing? I'll take a look at results from a rigorous, thorough independent test. The rest is just nonsense.
And you totally missed the point about tires. It's not about size or comfort. It's about grip. And it's the same with bicycles. The grip of the tires' contact patch has a lot more to do with stopping power than any type of braking system. And please, spare us the term "modulation." That's just parroting industry speak and a go to response from someone who really doesn't understand what he's talking about. Have a great night! |
Ppl say discs are not affected by rain. Thats a lie. They are. Less brake power and a lot of noise.
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Originally Posted by Racing Dan
(Post 21105232)
Ppl say discs are not affected by rain. Thats a lie. They are. Less brake power and a lot of noise.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
(Post 21105482)
Noise? Sure, sometimes. Reduced braking power? Not that I've noticed; I one-finger brake downhill in the rain - no issues.
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Originally Posted by big john
(Post 21105124)
I was with BF member RoadFix when the brake track blew off his front rim in the mountains. It was worn very thin. I have seen that on at least 2 other occasions, rim failure due to wear on road bikes.
When I used to live in the mountains I used a mountain bike with rim brakes a lot due to the weather. I could tell when the rim was gone because it would get a low spot near the seam and make a bad thump every time the pads squeezed it. I did a century in a rainstorm in the mountains with lots of descending. The road grit turned the aluminum of the rim into a thick, black slurry which was flung all over everything. Not to mention I had to ride the brakes if I wanted to have any braking at all. |
Originally Posted by WhyFi
(Post 21105482)
Noise? Sure, sometimes. Reduced braking power? Not that I've noticed; I one-finger brake downhill in the rain - no issues.
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I make similar adjustments when riding my bike in the rain as I do when driving in the rain. It rains enough around here that many riders own rain bikes. Wet roads effect braking, No matter the system. We have ‘New Locals’ bouncing off the Jersey Barriers all the time late fall when the rainy season starts.
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Originally Posted by colnago62
(Post 21110279)
We have ‘New Locals’ bouncing off the Jersey Barriers all the time late fall when the rainy season starts.
Living in SoCal, I do not know about this "rain" of which you all speak. But I would hazard a guess that even the best disc brakes aren't completely unaffected by rain. Just less affected than comparable rim brakes. Anyone who thinks they can ride (or drive, or heck, even run) at the exact same high speed and carefree manner as they do in dry weather is in for severe disappointment...and injury. Everything is impacted by rain: cars, bikes, shoes, etc. The better technologies minimize/reduce the effect, but nothing is going to perform identically in rain as it does in dry weather. Sheer physics. Even if your brake miraculously could be unaffected by rain, your tires won't be, and new rains always bring up road oils that make pavement slick. |
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