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Dura Ace or 105?

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+1 for Ultegra
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Originally Posted by eduskator View Post
Porsche 911 or VW Golf GTI?
I'd take the Golf GTI all day, every day. I have a Golf station wagon and I'd own the R version if it were available for sale in the US.

It's like the opposite of a mullet - party in the front, business in the back.

As for group set, I own 105 partially based on this video.
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Porsche 911 or VW Golf GTI?
More like Corvette vs Ferrari.
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It's like the difference between an $80 hair clipper you'd buy to trim your beard, and the flash $200 clipper the barber uses.
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Originally Posted by MSchott View Post
More like Corvette vs Ferrari.
This.
No way Iím giving the GTI the same credibility as Ultegra.
Half the GTI owners are chicks that drive them just cuz they think they are cute.
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
This.
No way Iím giving the GTI the same credibility as Ultegra.
Half the GTI owners are chicks that drive them just cuz they think they are cute.
You totally missed my point. 105 and DA are both high performing group sets. The do the exact same thing except one is more refined and you pay for that. Same as the Vette and Ferrari.

By by the way I drive a GTI. Not because itís cute. Itís the best value in a good looking affordable 4 door sports sedan.
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Originally Posted by MSchott View Post
You totally missed my point. 105 and DA are both high performing group sets. The do the exact same thing except one is more refined and you pay for that. Same as the Vette and Ferrari.

By by the way I drive a GTI. Not because itís cute. Itís the best value in a good looking affordable 4 door sports sedan.
I got your point and happen to agree with you as a vette is a legit sports car and a good comparison to Ultegra.
Iím sorry but the GTI is not.
Since they have discontinued the Touareg, nothing they make is quality so I wouldnít consider it a value at any price.
Same goes with the silly Mazda hothatch and the craptacular Ford Focus hothatch.
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I got your point and happen to agree with you as a vette is a legit sports car and a good comparison to Ultegra.
Iím sorry but the GTI is not.
Since they have discontinued the Touareg, nothing they make is quality so I wouldnít consider it a value at any price.
Same goes with the silly Mazda hothatch and the craptacular Ford Focus hothatch.
This is getting of topic but Iíll say have I do not share your misplaced opinions nor do any legitimate reviewers.
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Originally Posted by eduskator View Post
Ultegra. DA if you can spend the extra $.

Also keep in mind that the expensive products aren't always the most reliable ones. Performance is not always correlated to reliability.
I have blown apart several DA rear freehubs. Luckily, Shimano replaced the bodies no questions asked, which is nice about their support of DA. The next set of wheels I get built, I am going to try Ultegra. I have a few pairs of RS 81 wheelsets and have been very happy with them.
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Old 09-25-19, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by downhillmaster View Post
This.
No way I’m giving the GTI the same credibility as Ultegra.
Half the GTI owners are chicks that drive them just cuz they think they are cute.


Originally Posted by MSchott View Post
You totally missed my point. 105 and DA are both high performing group sets. The do the exact same thing except one is more refined and you pay for that. Same as the Vette and Ferrari.

By by the way I drive a GTI. Not because it’s cute. It’s the best value in a good looking affordable 4 door sports sedan.
I have to disagree on that one. I don't want to start a debate on cars, but there are better choices rationally speaking. Of course, 99% of car owners buy emotionally, not rationally.

The Tesla 3 is a good looking affordable 4d sport sedan. Plus, you get to skip the pump & it's faster than the GTI. (oh and, the company does not engineer systems to by-pass emission test & pollute the whole freaking planet just to make more $) FU Volks.

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I have to disagree on that one. I don't want to start a debate on cars, but there are better choices rationally speaking. Of course, 99% of car owners buy emotionally, not rationally.

The Tesla 3 is a good looking affordable 4d sport sedan. Plus, you get to skip the pump & it's faster than the GTI. (oh and, the company does not engineer systems to by-pass emission test & pollute the whole freaking planet just to make more $) FU Volks.
I love the Tesla 3 but my GTI was less than $28k out the door. The basic 3 is $35k. And they can easily cost over $50k. As far as the scandal, shame on VW but Iím about getting the best car I can for the money.

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How about that Dura-Ace and 105?
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How about that Dura-Ace and 105?
Dura Ace>105 but not worth the price delta unless you are a wealthy weight weenie. Ultegra is the sweet spot. Good summary? Lock thread .
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Dura Ace 7800 has a bit of a cult following and is very affordable. I love the feel, performance and especially the looks of my Dura Ace 7800 brakes.

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There is good value in aesthetics! Those DA brakes are beautiful.
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And once more, the FC-7800 is the finest-looking external bearing crankset ever made.
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And once more, the FC-7800 is the finest-looking external bearing crankset ever made.
+1 to this. It is just a shame that 90% of the ones on the used market have significant scratching of the finish. I wish one of the crankskin type of companies would make a type of protective wrap that covered not just the crank arm, but the spider arm as well.

It would also be nice if Shimano would re-introduce the polished/clear silver anodized finish in the current line of Dura Ace and/or Ultegra components. The last 10 years have been nothing but black - flat black, matte black, gloss black - pretty boring from a custom bike perspective if you ask me.
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Dura Ace. But 105 is race worthy.
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I love the Tesla 3 but my GTI was less than $28k out the door. The basic 3 is $35k. And they can easily cost over $50k. As far as the scandal, shame on VW but Iím about getting the best car I can for the money.
Over the years I've owned a '66 Corvette Coupe, Lotus Elan, an Audi, several BMWs and lots more. I love my Fiesta ST and for $22K new.
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And once more, the FC-7800 is the finest-looking external bearing crankset ever made.
+1

I still run Ultegra 6600 on two bikes and there's no question in my mind it's a beautiful groupset. I always wished I had 7800 as well though. It was so rare to see it around where I was riding back in the early 2000s so it had that extra exotic appeal as well as beauty.

That said, as you know, I maintain the FC-9000 is also right up there with the most beautiful cranksets ever made. I didn't make the same mistake with that one though and am fortunate to run it on one of my bikes. 😊
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I still run Ultegra 6600 on two bikes and there's no question in my mind it's a beautiful groupset. I always wished I had 7800 as well though. It was so rare to see it around where I was riding back in the early 2000s so it had that extra exotic appeal as well as beauty.

That said, as you know, I maintain the FC-9000 is also right up there with the most beautiful cranksets ever made. I didn't make the same mistake with that one though and am fortunate to run it on one of my bikes. 😊
Just so you know, 6600 levers are compatible with 7800 brakes. That's what I'm running and I love the combo.
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Just so you know, 6600 levers are compatible with 7800 brakes. That's what I'm running and I love the combo.
Yes. It's now very difficult to find NOS 7800 anything these days. I've spent ages trying to find 7800 cranks and brakes. No dice yet...

As mentioned above, most used 7800 cranks come with a ton of scratches and given we all agree (!) that we'd ride it for its beauty as much as its function, it seems like a waste of time to buy used at this point.
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To answer the OP's question, I chose Dura Ace. Yes, they do the same job but the Dura Ace has a refined finish that just makes it look better. Though not part of the original question I to think the at Ultegra is the ultimate compromise.
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
+1 to this. It is just a shame that 90% of the ones on the used market have significant scratching of the finish.
This is why I want Shimano to suck it up and start offering BB30 variants. Oh, and while they're getting fancy with the anodising, they should bring back the tricolour. Neither has a snowflake's chance, though
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