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Road culture: Is the kudos like the wave?

Old 10-04-19, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by smarkinson View Post
OK, I'm just going to leave this here and then quickly walk away.

https://www.stravafollowers.com/
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Old 10-04-19, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha View Post
They are manifestly rewarding enough to reinforce the kudos-seeking behavior.

I took all of my commutes private, this morning. No cold shoulder intended to my local friends, but the the kudos's from rank strangers gave me the creeps and I don't want random people knowing where I work.
yeh it's bad enough that Google figures it out and could predict where you are with depressing accuracy. And the legal technicality that by publishing certain information -such as our movements - we waive protections against the commercial use of that information even if acquired by other means. But that's a different story.

The grooming analog makes sense. I was speculating that it affirms tribal identity. I'm honestly unsure about it - I see dozens of kudos on someone's nondescript effort, and I suspect that the reward from giving them is at least partly the reciprocity. The leaderboards, comments, flyby's, groups and challenges, all that makes sense.
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Old 10-04-19, 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by mvnsnd View Post
I think you're wrong here. Do you not say "nice ride" at the end of a group ride? ...
Are we supposed to? I just ride off ...
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Old 10-04-19, 08:36 AM
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I kudos nearly everything, my typical exception is small commutes.

Interesting all the hate for zwifting, do you real feel it's cheating or something? For an amount of time put in it's often harder than outside because there is almost no coasting, if you're using an accurate power meter and a smart trainer that supports gradient changes it can be quite challenging (especially at 100% trainer difficulty).

Now, on the other hand, if you're trying to pump up your millage for Strava with Zwift by using a dumb trainer (e.g. no gradient changes and inaccurate power) and hitting up the flats on a TT bike (I want to see you hold that aerodynamic pose so perfectly that whole time, IRL you're probably sitting tall...) every week that wouldn't deserve a kudos in my book, but really you're only cheating yourself.
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Old 10-04-19, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by wphamilton View Post
yeh it's bad enough that Google figures it out and could predict where you are with depressing accuracy. And the legal technicality that by publishing certain information -such as our movements - we waive protections against the commercial use of that information even if acquired by other means. But that's a different story.

The grooming analog makes sense. I was speculating that it affirms tribal identity. I'm honestly unsure about it - I see dozens of kudos on someone's nondescript effort, and I suspect that the reward from giving them is at least partly the reciprocity. The leaderboards, comments, flyby's, groups and challenges, all that makes sense.
I agree and the norm sets up an expectation. The momentary dip in "tonic" dopamine secretion, which occurs when you don't get kudos, is how the system encodes punishment.
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Old 10-04-19, 10:16 AM
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Until this thread I never realized kudos count was a measure of anything of interest to anyone. I always thought Strava was about the leaderboard and nothing else.

I also 'never' (well I have once or twice in five years) get kudos from strangers - didn't realize it was a thing. Only from those who are following me or were noted by Strava as 'rode with'

As noted earlier I just kudos everything in my current feed at the time I open it, that includes occasionally those accidental '0.0' miles rides people sometimes post and don't delete.
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Old 10-04-19, 06:01 PM
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Is this for real or parody?
Don't know. But that's not the only site that offers friends for the friendless https://www.stravafans.com/
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Old 10-07-19, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha View Post
When is it appropriate and when may it be omitted?

Must it be reciprocated?

What is the subtextual message?
Wow - do we have to read everything into everything? For me it's just simple hello to a fellow cyclist. If they acknowledge fine, if not fine as well.
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Old 10-07-19, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Steeler_fanatic View Post
Wow - do we have to read everything into everything? For me it's just simple hello to a fellow cyclist. If they acknowledge fine, if not fine as well.
The unexamined life is not worth living.

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Old 10-09-19, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by noisebeam View Post
I kudos all. Completionist OCD behavior. I find it annoying that my own rides don't get an orange hand..
You just need to create a second account!
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Old 10-10-19, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by smarkinson View Post
OK, I'm just going to leave this here and then quickly walk away.

https://www.stravafollowers.com/
Humanity, I'm so disappoint with you.
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Old 10-15-19, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
I'm not a fan of the chronic Zwifter/trainer person that only does that and hardly ever rides outside. I won't give kudos to that.

I often fit in a workout at lunch on the bike in the gym. If I went outdoors I'd waste 20min out of my 45min of time available just leaving out site to get to where I can ride and returning.

Not everyone is so entitled to have unlimited time and opportunities to ride outside. I respect and give kudos to folks who try to balance both.

But, I'll more readily give someone kudos who bothers to mount the bike once a week to Zwift or train indoors because their family or work life kept them away from having the time to suit up and get outdoors.

That'll get my kudos before somebody doing their 10,000th identical 5mi greenway ride on their e-bike.

My priority of kudos is:
1. New rider doing something special/trying hard
2. Any real race
3. Any real fondo/charity ride/challenge ride
4. Group rides of any pace over an hour long
5. Hard workouts outside
6. Hard workouts inside including Zwift
6b. Runs of any distance over a mile
7. Easy solo rides outside
8. Easy rides inside
9. Critical mass pub rides
10. Walking
11. Sleeping

Things I tend to un-follow for:
-racing MUP/greenway segments
-only riding the same exact route outdoors 100% the time and it isn't a commute
-zero physical effort ever, could be a manual bike or e-bike rider.......got sweat at some point
-abusing the social media post feature of Strava
-only rides indoors 100% of time
-tries to "win" the group ride, or generally unsafe riders
Where do you slot participation in the World Naked Bike Ride?
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Old 10-16-19, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by teejaywhy View Post
Where do you slot participation in the World Naked Bike Ride?
It would fall under #3 . Challenge ride.
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Old 10-16-19, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by burnthesheep View Post
It would fall under #3 . Challenge ride.
So, fairly high on the kudos priority list!
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Old 10-16-19, 12:34 PM
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Ha. The only trainer activity for which I'll give a kudos is something that involves serious discomfort - ftp test, sessions with a lot of time at/above threshold, etc. Much more likely to happen with TR interval sessions, rather than Zwift.
Had to run a fact check on this one. You have, in fact, kudos'd me on several Zwift rides. Maybe it was an accident?
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Old 10-16-19, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by mvnsnd View Post
Pretty much the same for me. Post an activity and I'll give you a kudo just for the fact you did something. I do not discriminate against Zwift users or any other indoor trainer activity.
Pretty sure we inadvertently rode together in Zwift last week, and you not only kudos'd me, you gave me a "ride on".

Where do ride ons fit into the overthinking everything framework?
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Old 10-16-19, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by smarkinson View Post
Don't know. But that's not the only site that offers friends for the friendless https://www.stravafans.com/
I never knew these things existed, but it makes sense. In the past I'd approve follow requests from strangers not even in my city on Strava, and they'd almost immediately kudos every ride I did. They'd be following several thousand people, and usually have a similar but smaller number of people following them. I guess it's all "kudos farming" in some sort of perverse effort to build a "brand" as a social media bike person.

Anyway, on Zwift... as others have said, it's just as hard as an outdoor ride and it's recently a necessity given that I have to watch our infant while my wife sleeps and I ride the trainer before work. Rather get some work inside in than no work at all, and it has the added benefit of actually usually being a better workout since there aren't any interruptions.
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP View Post
Had to run a fact check on this one. You have, in fact, kudos'd me on several Zwift rides. Maybe it was an accident?
Zwift Richmond rides? Must have been confusion. Or pity on the new parent?
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Zwift Richmond rides? Must have been confusion. Or pity on the new parent?
Must be pity kudos, then
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Old 10-16-19, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP View Post
Must be pity kudos, then
Hang in there - you'll see the outside world again, one of these days.
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Old 10-17-19, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan333SP View Post
Pretty sure we inadvertently rode together in Zwift last week, and you not only kudos'd me, you gave me a "ride on".

Where do ride ons fit into the overthinking everything framework?
Yes, it was completely coincidental. I thought it might be you, so "ride on" given. Better than a kudo as its immediate, but less so that it's not so public
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I've heard that @Dan333SP never gets any kudos.
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Old 10-18-19, 06:30 AM
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I've heard that @Dan333SP never gets any kudos.
I've heard @PepeM doesn't even ride bikes any more.
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I've heard @PepeM doesn't even ride bikes any more.
I've heard the same.
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