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Invasion of the E-bikes!

Old 10-15-19, 05:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Lemond1985 View Post
With all due respect ... I really don't see the comparison between a new type of brake technology, and adding an electric motor to eliminate pedalling (which is the one essential hallmark of riding a bike).
You gotta pedal. In every case. And in most cases, you gotta put in lots of work on the climbs. If you get the chance to ride any Ebikemotion hybrid you will understand this much better.
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Old 10-15-19, 06:14 AM
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Even an average, fat 65 year old rider like me does 7 or 8000 miles in that time. I'm not putting you down for it but it doesn't seem like you ride very much.

I would not compare riding a bike with riding an e-bike for the most part. They are two different things (mostly).
Ahahaha! Yes I do not ride much in the winter. There is no difference in riding an ebike or an analog bike. You just go farther faster.
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Old 10-15-19, 06:20 AM
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I guess this means all of the good food at the post ride feeds will be gone by the time I get there. I will have to settle for the crumbs. Dang you, E-bikes!
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Sold on what? That motorcycles are faster than bicycles? Seriously, I'm confused. I really thought we all enjoyed this sport - pedaling, riding bikes... you know cycling?

I had no idea so many of you were struggling to find a way to make this an easy sport.
The time investment & efforts needed to become a better cyclist and break your records IS what makes this sport nice according to me.

However, not everyone thinks the same (and thank god!) and I do believe that E-bicycles are the new thing to attract a specific group of costumer who have different interests than ours, and it's just fine. As I said, the more cyclists there are, the better for our community.
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Old 10-15-19, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by big john View Post
Even an average, fat 65 year old rider like me does 7 or 8000 miles in that time. I'm not putting you down for it but it doesn't seem like you ride very much.

I would not compare riding a bike with riding an e-bike for the most part. They are two different things (mostly).
This short, asthmatic, diabetic, 60+ year old guy with 7 coronary stents easily rides over 6,000 miles a year. So I agree with you 100%
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Old 10-15-19, 06:39 AM
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I am waiting for this one to hit the market.


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Old 10-15-19, 06:45 AM
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All of the E-bike riders here are opening up their closet doors and coming out. Spilling their souls to the forum. I guess that is better than going to the support groups.

"High, I'm Larry and I ride an E-bike."
"Hello Larry, welcome. What do you want to talk about today?"
"Well, I don't know if I should still call myself a cyclist."
"Larry, we are all cyclists on the great MUP of life. We are all just trying to get to our destination."
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Old 10-15-19, 06:45 AM
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Looks like a speed bike to me. lol
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Old 10-15-19, 06:47 AM
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I am waiting for this one to hit the market.


Oooooooohhhhhh, my Precious!
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Old 10-15-19, 07:00 AM
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Sold on what? That motorcycles are faster than bicycles? Seriously, I'm confused. I really thought we all enjoyed this sport - pedaling, riding bikes... you know, cycling?

I had no idea so many of you were struggling to find a way to make this an easy sport.
You sound like every film photographer back in the 90's who refused to go digital. I rode one and I loved it. I ride a minimum of 50 miles a week now. On long treks with steep inclines f yes I would love the assist.
I own a Ribble Endurance AL and have been looking at these
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/bikes/electric-bikes/
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Old 10-15-19, 07:02 AM
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You gotta pedal. In every case. And in most cases, you gotta put in lots of work on the climbs. If you get the chance to ride any Ebikemotion hybrid you will understand this much better.
This!!
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Old 10-15-19, 07:13 AM
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My fearless prediction is the world will be littered with battery powered motorized bikes in 10 years.

IMHO, there are intrinsic rewards from actually achieving cycling goals that a motor robs me from gaining under my own effort. I find struggling up a mountain road and gaining better fitness is life affirming and meaningful on its own merits. A motor makes it less demanding, even delightfully easy. I would lose interest in the sport of cycling. It would be akin to gambling and never losing.

Technology has its downsides.
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Old 10-15-19, 07:14 AM
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You sound like every film photographer back in the 90's who refused to go digital. I rode one and I loved it. I ride a minimum of 50 miles a week now. On long treks with steep inclines f yes I would love the assist.
I own a Ribble Endurance AL and have been looking at these
https://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/bikes/electric-bikes/
And you sound like you just don't get it. Holding 170 bpm for 45 min on a mountain climb and getting to the top is WHY I love cycling. If I was looking for something easy, I'd play golf.

You ride 50 miles/wk on a moped. I ride 150 on a bike. We just have different interests.
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Old 10-15-19, 07:16 AM
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... and yet you two are forced to share the same message board. Go figure ....
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Old 10-15-19, 07:23 AM
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And you sound like you just don't get it. Holding 170 bpm for 45 min on a mountain climb and getting to the top is WHY I love cycling. If I was looking for something easy, I'd play golf.

You ride 50 miles/wk on a moped. I ride 150 on a bike. We just have different interests.
I said I'm looking at...read.
I own two bikes a commuter and a roadie. I pedal. Assist is not bad. It is far from a moped
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Old 10-15-19, 07:30 AM
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... and yet you two are forced to share the same message board. Go figure ....
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Old 10-15-19, 07:43 AM
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This short, asthmatic, diabetic, 60+ year old guy with 7 coronary stents easily rides over 6,000 miles a year. So I agree with you 100%
This shorter than average, incredibly fit, 60+ year old guy with no artificial parts will probably ride only 1500 - 2000 miles over the year on his eBikes. So I'm with the guy who rides a 1000 and loves it.
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Old 10-15-19, 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by DukeO View Post
There is no difference in riding an ebike or an analog bike. You just go farther faster.
When you train hard and get in better shape you go further faster. When you add an electric motor you have a different set of circumstances. Who has the biggest motor? Who by-passed the speed restriction? Who is carrying the most batteries?

I'm not saying I'm against e-bikes. I'm not saying they're wrong or I'll never ride one but it's different than riding a bike. You can argue about the degree of difference (pedal assist, thumb throttle, wattage,etc) but it's not the same sport.
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Originally Posted by Zaskar View Post
And you sound like you just don't get it.
Why would he? Previously you were just telling us how confused you were about people having other interests.

Originally Posted by Zaskar View Post
We just have different interests.
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You sound like every film photographer back in the 90's who refused to go digital. /
This is a false analogy.
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Old 10-15-19, 07:53 AM
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Well ... let's have it. What do you think I'm wrong about?
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This shorter than average, incredibly fit, 60+ year old guy with no artificial parts will probably ride only 1500 - 2000 miles over the year on his eBikes. So I'm with the guy who rides a 1000 and loves it.
Fascinating!!!
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Well ... let's have it. What do you think I'm wrong about?
only that you misunderstood the meme - meant to highlight the futility of convincing anyone online that your opinion is the "right" one.
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Originally Posted by big john View Post
When you train hard and get in better shape you go further faster. When you add an electric motor you have a different set of circumstances. Who has the biggest motor? Who by-passed the speed restriction? Who is carrying the most batteries?

I'm not saying I'm against e-bikes. I'm not saying they're wrong or I'll never ride one but it's different than riding a bike. You can argue about the degree of difference (pedal assist, thumb throttle, wattage,etc) but it's not the same sport.
big john you are talking about ego things. Who cares who has the bigger motor. If you are putting out the same amount of watts in while you are riding it makes no difference what you are riding.

Who cares how big the motor is if there is a speed limit for all bikes on any given path or trail.

I can tell you this. I have ridden all kinds of analog bikes and have owned over a dozen motorcycles. Hands down my ebike is the funnest thing I have ever ridden and also most likely the safest thing too. From standing to 20mph No analog bike can come close to it. So it gets through intersections in the blink of an eye. It has 2.35 schwab moto x tires with 203mm hydraulic disc brakes that will stop it on a dime. I can set it to give my any kind of workout I want at any given minute. I do not have to worry about aero so I have it setup for good form so I don't mess up by back and shoulders. I also have 20yrs in teaching yoga classes and I have had many cyclist over the years come to me with mess up backs and shoulders.

The point I am making is if you putting the same watts into any bike. You getting the same workout. I don't care what kind of bike your riding. But with an ebike you have choices that you do not have on an analog bike and some people can not handle that because it messes with their egos.
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only that you misunderstood the meme - meant to highlight the futility of convincing anyone online that your opinion is the "right" one.
Aha, so you anticipated I would misunderstand the meme, before I even saw it? And that's why you refuse to explain what you meant.

I have underestimated your intellectual firepower, sir.
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