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Thinking about 11-speed

Old 10-11-19, 05:10 PM
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Thinking about 11-speed

This kind of thread will be almost a decade out of date for early adopters, but it seems like the second-hand market for 11-speed groupsets is starting to look really attractive to people like me who only ever buy used. Lately I've been seeing some really terrific Chorus groupsets from the early 2010s for very decent prices, and I'm feeling sorely tempted.

For most of this decade I've been a faithful user of Record 10-speed stuff from the previous decade. Is it time to move on? I'm not a vintage guy, so I don't care about how "cool" my almost twenty-year-old Record shifters are (don't mind the compliments though!), I just like high-end components without the high-end pricing.

On the Chain Reaction site I see that a Super Record EPS groupset costs over $6,000. A Super Record mechanical groupset is over $4,200. Regular Record is $2,100 (all prices in Canadian loonies).

And non-carbon Centaur is $600, but for that price I could get a six or seven-year-old carbon Chorus groupset.

What should I do? Is it worth staying with the times (sort of), or is there absolutely no reason whatsoever to give up 10-speed?
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Old 10-11-19, 05:50 PM
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Wait until the 12 speed regular Record comes down in price. Skip the 11 completely. They redesigned the crank on the 12 speed and looks so so much better. Your 10 speed with square taper cranks is still tits. Just drop in a medium cage rear mech and go with a 13/29 cassette, and your right there with the 11. I see the 11 being a forgotten soul in the near future. The only thing I like about the 11 is the skeleton brakes, and they did away with that at the 12.


......13/29 with medium cage rear mech.....



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Old 10-11-19, 06:42 PM
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Interesting take. I know what you mean about the 4-spoke crank, I'm not a huge fan of them aesthetically. I've got a bit of a Frankenstein group on my bike, though: not square taper anymore, I use a Chorus Ultra-Torque crank from about 2007 or so.

Speaking of aesthetics, I'm not really a huge fan of the "Gumby" shifters, to be honest. I like how the 2nd generation Record shifters look and feel.
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With both 10 and 11 speed..inter-compatibility is a nightmare....so long as you buy a groupset, at least you can wager everything will play nice together.

With differing cable pulls on differing groups every year...and compatibility no one can remember and Campagnolo doesn't publish publicly in a monolithic resource....they took to stamping letters "A" for example to denote parts that will work together, but only starting in 2015.
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You can find older Campagnolo gruppos 'used' but NOS is not as easy. I don't want any part of 'used'. I have been accumulating NOS Chorus and Athena components for some builds. It took a while but I finally found that 27.2 Athena seatpost. The Record gruppos are more scarce. I need a Record Titanium 9 sp RD NOS but can't find any and saw one with carbon parts *yuck* that is listed for $475. I might be tempted to pay that if it was all shiney metal but now way with ugly carbon parts.
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This does worry me, I have to say. I like mixing and matching components, upgrading on a whim. I more or less know my stuff when it comes to the 2000s, but post-2010 components are mostly a mystery to me aside from Ultra-Torque cranksets.

I guess part of my motivation for thinking about this and posting this thread is that I'm afraid of being left behind. I feel like I've let myself get too far behind the learning curve. I don't want to turn into one of those bearded old geezers with the vintage bike and components yelling "get off my lawn!"


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I went from 6-speed Triomphe, to 8-speed Chorus, to 10-speed Record, to 11-speed Super Record, to 11 Speed Super Record EPS. I have no inclination to go to 12-speed, and 13 will probably be released before I make the next move. Don't worry about being left behind, just upgrade when you HAVE to. And when you have to, move all the way to the newest group. Unfortunately, no Campy shifters after 10 speed are easily repaired as in the past.
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Old 10-11-19, 09:39 PM
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I went from 6-speed Triomphe, to 8-speed Chorus, to 10-speed Record, to 11-speed Super Record, to 11 Speed Super Record EPS. I have no inclination to go to 12-speed, and 13 will probably be released before I make the next move. Don't worry about being left behind, just upgrade when you HAVE to. And when you have to, move all the way to the newest group.
I'm never going to spend $4,000+ on a groupset. Everything I've every ridden and most of my kit have been used, save for semi-annual drivetrain refreshing (chain and cassette, cables and housings, tires, bar tape).

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Unfortunately, no Campy shifters after 10 speed are easily repaired as in the past.
This bothers me, I'll admit it. I've gotten quite handy at replacing those G-springs in the 10-speed shifters.
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Old 10-11-19, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by rousseau View Post

What should I do? Is it worth staying with the times (sort of), or is there absolutely no reason whatsoever to give up 10-speed?
Record 10 is about the sweetest shifting mechanical groupset I've used. Chorus is the same, without the weight-saving titanium giblets.

Best thing about Campy 10-speed is that the 13-29 cassettes are still widely available. The 11-speed cassettes feature useless 11 and 12 tooth cogs, providing even fewer useful gears than 10-speed.

Campagnolo Ultra shifters are infinitely rebuildable; ever few years replace the G-springs, the spring carrier and the hoods. Replace the cables and housings as well on a regular basis. Once serviced, these shifters are effectively new.
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I have 4 bikes built with 10 Speed Record and Chorus. A couple of them are pretty recent. I have no issue finding NOS or close to NOS parts at a very reasonable prices. You just have to put in the time and effort. And I’ve built a pretty good stock of spares to boot. An example, just bought a ‘new-2019’ 10 speed medium cage Record rear derailleur with the CF cage out of Europe for 200 bucks to my door. Also recently bought a not to good medium cage Chorus rear derailleur, where the silver cage was in perfect shape, for cheap. Swapped that silver cage out with another medium cage Record rear derailleur with the CF cage, and ended up with something that’s actually hard to get. At some point, these parts will get scarce and very expensive, but were not there yet, but its real close. I’m way past the point where I’d be racing or the like, and just have no fear. My 10 speeds are pretty much outrageous, and you can’t miss my colorful bikes in the sea or black and grey carbon. I’m just having a heck of a lot fun...!
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I think I was looking at $800 for the upgrade. Already got 11 sp cranks and front derailleur.
Ergos and RD and cassette were in my watch list. Decided to wait even though I like the Gumbys (also running 10sp Centaur).
Unless you really need that extra gear, I'd pass, and wait for 12.
For where/how I ride now, as long as I got 15, 16, 17 in back I'm okay. Running a 13-29 now (used to be 12-26).
Instead of going to 11 I upgraded wheels instead.

11-12 speed actually makes more sense on my 1x.
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Best thing about Campy 10-speed is that the 13-29 cassettes are still widely available. The 11-speed cassettes feature useless 11 and 12 tooth cogs, providing even fewer useful gears than 10-speed.
What you say about the cog size is true but one nice thing about 11 speed is it's compatible between groups. In my household with a riding wife and multiple bikes and groupsets, being able to swap wheels is handy.
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You can buy a chorus 12 group from pink jersey for $1060. I have two of those groups. I got the new 48/32 sub compact crank which makes the 11T useable and opted for the 11-34 cassette, since I ride steep hills and mountains.

The cassette fits on any hub that accepts 9-11 speed Campy. The shifting is the best ever and I've been a Campy only guy since the early days of 9 speed.

Do watch the campy video because the FD sets up differently than most. Chain length is best set with the little/little method. On the same bikes, I needed an extra inch of chain, compared to my previous 50/34 with 12-32 cassette.
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You can buy a chorus 12 group from pink jersey for $1060. I have two of those groups. I got the new 48/32 sub compact crank which makes the 11T useable and opted for the 11-34 cassette, since I ride steep hills and mountains.

The cassette fits on any hub that accepts 9-11 speed Campy. The shifting is the best ever and I've been a Campy only guy since the early days of 9 speed.

Do watch the campy video because the FD sets up differently than most. Chain length is best set with the little/little method. On the same bikes, I needed an extra inch of chain, compared to my previous 50/34 with 12-32 cassette.
Don't forget that the OP lives in Canada, home of the 75 cent Canadian dollar along with high shipping costs from the US along with import duties. The OP would probably be paying about $2000 CDN
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Don't forget that the OP lives in Canada, home of the 75 cent Canadian dollar along with high shipping costs from the US along with import duties. The OP would probably be paying about $2000 CDN
Glad I don't live in Canada. All things are relative and Chorus 12 is generally priced lower than Chorus 11, regardless of where you buy it. It's also about half the price of the new SRAM Force 12.

I have no idea how Canadian wages compare the wages in the USA. If they aren't quite a bit higher, I'm even more glad I don't live there.

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Originally Posted by alcjphil View Post
Don't forget that the OP lives in Canada, home of the 75 cent Canadian dollar along with high shipping costs from the US along with import duties. The OP would probably be paying about $2000 CDN
More like $1,500. But why would you buy from anywhere other than the UK online shops anyway? They have the best selection and pricing. I'm particularly enamoured with Chain Reaction at the moment. The stuff gets here in two days. Pretty amazing.

In any case, I pulled the trigger on a 2011-14 Chorus groupset for $500 (US$378). I couldn't pass up on a deal like that.

Today is "bike head" day. Nothing I like more than replacing a whole set of components on a frame.
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