Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 21317872)

Not everyone understands what a poor hub geometry is, but if you ask an expert like Psimet2001 I'm sure he would agree that Neugent hubs have a poor design.

I'm not surprised that you like the Neugent wheels better than your old Mavic wheelset. Those were boat anchors, so the weight difference is very noticeable.

I was referring to the new Mavic UST Ksyriums, not the old one that used proprietary spokes, and nipples(that thread into the rim. Their old hubs sucked too, and sourcing replacement parts was a pain in the ass(and expensive)

The new ones use traditional straight-pull spokes, and the hubs were redesigned to use a splined ring gear similar to DT.

I'm not a big fan of Mavic wheels, but I'd rather try their new ones than either Hunt or Neugent.

(edit) after looking at the Mavic website I see that they still use proprietary spokes on their wheels. For this reason I will never recommend their wheelsets.

I sill love the old Open Pros laced to 8 speed Record hubs on my Guerciotti, but even OPs quality declined in the later years.

Originally Posted by bpcyclist (Post 21319890)

That said, I do not personally know the person to whom you refer and I am sure that he or she is extremely knowledgeable about building wheels, but I do not consider one wheelbuilder critiquing the work of another to really be the opinion of an entirely unbiased person. But that's just me.

Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 21245021)

From his website,

Spoke Tension Rear Drive Side: 170-180 KGF (on a Park Tensiometer 18-19 for CX Ray and 22-23 for Laser).
Spoke Tension Rear Non Drive Side: There is no spec for this because it is whatever it is to pull the rim to the center of the wheel. They will always be looser than the drive side spokes and often by quite bit.

His wheels require a high DS tension because the hubs use a sketchy geometry.

Originally Posted by Psimet2001 (Post 21245214)

That's messed up.

I vaguely remember him saying he was getting back into wheels after the failure of his last wheel company Nuvation (sp). Speaking as a wheel guy there's a ton of people that feel they have to set themselves apart by having a gimmick. Yet gimmicks don't work long term. Never have and won't start now.

Originally Posted by noodle soup (Post 21319956)

[MENTION=46002]Psimet2001[/MENTION] is a well respected wheelbuilder, and a member of this forum.
https://www.bikeforums.net/road-cycl...-counting.html

This is from the thread you started, with a question about Neugent wheels





Good luck with your wheelset, but using a DS tension that high leads to issues in the long run(cracked rims/spoke holes and broken nipples).

Originally Posted by dexterchua84 (Post 21320141)

But if its necessary, Forum Admin, you may close/delete this thread if it causes disunity amongst members..