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Road rim 700c recommendation

Old 03-03-20, 11:18 AM
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Road rim 700c recommendation

I currently own Specialized Axis 4.0 wheels and due to some cracks appearing on rims, I will need to get new rim for the rear and custom made wheel.

I am looking for a recommendation for a strong and relatively afoordable road rim 700c?

I weight ~ 220lbs so I am not sure this should be in Clydesdales section
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I don't have any specific recommendations for you, but you might want to provide more info for others.

This is for disc brake, correct? What's your idea of affordable? Any depth and width preferences? Tubeless?
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Yes, for the dick brake. I usually ride 28-32 wide tires, clinchers, mostly road.

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The link is to a blog listing characteristics of various rims. The list is not comprehensive as there are many more rims than those listed. Nevertheless weights and dimensions of good quality rims are shown and you can become familiar with those characteristics. Alloy Rim Roundup - Fairwheel Bikes Blog
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Originally Posted by utoner34 View Post
Yes, for the dick brake. I usually ride 28-32 wide tires, clinchers, mostly road.
H plus son Hydra. Good combo of reputation, weight, and cost. Tubeless designed, if you care.

A similar tim is the H plus son Archetype. Same as above combo of features, but not tubeless.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
H plus son Hydra. Good combo of reputation, weight, and cost. Tubeless designed, if you care.

A similar tim is the H plus son Archetype. Same as above combo of features, but not tubeless.
Did they make the Archetype in a disc model? I built up a set of wheels with them, great rim, but I thought that had only had them with brake tracks. Not the end of the world, I guess, since the tracks are anodized along with the rest of the rim, but still.
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For disc I recently built up Velocity Ailerons and found them to be a very impressive rim due to dimensions, weight and ease of build. Looked fairly impressive when done too.
I don't think Berner's link has quite accurate weights, I've just unlaced some open pros due to failing spokes and found that both were right about 420g each which is 27g lighter then they claim. I've also built up a number of Velocity a23 and didn't find them as soft as they claim making for a reliable wheel build.
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DT 470 is a cheap ($50) rim that seems to be of good quality. I use a boyd altamont, which is double the price and maybe somewhat nicer - not sure.

I highly recommend going for 28-32 spokes for your weight. Minimal performance difference, big durability difference.

You probably shouldn’t go with CX-Ray/laser spokes either. Those are a bit stretchy. Maybe CX-sprint/race spokes might be better. Not that this has anything to do with rim cracking, though.

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For disc I recently built up Velocity Ailerons and found them to be a very impressive rim due to dimensions, weight and ease of build. Looked fairly impressive when done too.
I don't think Berner's link has quite accurate weights, I've just unlaced some open pros due to failing spokes and found that both were right about 420g each which is 27g lighter then they claim. I've also built up a number of Velocity a23 and didn't find them as soft as they claim making for a reliable wheel build.
I have an Open Pro that weighs 445g. I think the right takeaway is that some rims vary.
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I run DT R470db's on my commuter in 32h. Damn bulletproof. Currently building up RR521db's for my weekender.

Paired with some DT champion spokes and brass nipples, they are near indestructable.
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I was thinking of having more spokes, but in this case I will have to change rear hub as well, which means even more $$$
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If you have 28 holes with butted spokes you'll be just fine at your weight with a decent rim. I nearly went with the dt470 but brands cycle.com has the Aileron listed at 85 plus a 15% code which was a lot better than the 140 suggested retail. At 140 I'd go carbon, budget wise you won't go wrong with the DT. If your hub is less than 24h you should probably spend the extra. 24h at your weight with a proper build and quality spokes should still have a good life span. 28-32h I wouldn't worry about it.
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Do you need an SCS hub? Have you looked in to sourcing a new one? It's an abandoned standard at this point, unfortunately.
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Did they make the Archetype in a disc model? I built up a set of wheels with them, great rim, but I thought that had only had them with brake tracks. Not the end of the world, I guess, since the tracks are anodized along with the rest of the rim, but still.
I dont think they Archetype has a disc specific design. Its just the rim track thats anodized and never used for disc.
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What is the minimum tire width I can safely put on these rims?

https://www.bike24.com/p2344998.html?q=gr+531+db

https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content=8;product=345012
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Yes, for the dick brake. I usually ride 28-32 wide tires, clinchers, mostly road.
You must be hitting it hard and fast if you require a dick brake.

Mods, delete it if you have to. I tried to resist, but couldn't pass it up. I apologize in advance.
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I use a 25mm tire on a 23mm rim and it has a few issues. 1) tire sidewall is more exposed to gravel etc.
2) this is completely unscientific, but vertical compliance seems to be reduced relative to narrow rims. You can run lower pressure to compensate, but then you’re more likely to bottom out.
3) if you’re a hard cornerer, unless you run your tires quite firm (difficult to do at your weight), you will run out of tread to corner on before running out of grip. You’ll then be riding on sidewall or a weird virtual contact patch.

I’d say 25 is a no-go on these rims. 28 is the bare minimum but you’d need to either find something with a wide tread like the Specialized Turbo, Vittoria Corsa Control/Rubino Pro (not speed), or something similar. Or you need to pump up your tires quite firm. 28mm tires are approved by ETRTO on 25mm rims, btw.

I’d recommend 32s to stay headache-free. Though those will expand to 35+mm on these rims.

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I would like to run 28-32 tires so then I should go for the road rim. Considering my weight and the fact that I like having tires firmer I need narrower tires. What about this? https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content...26%5D=1;page=1

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I would like to run 28-32 tires so then I should go for the road rim. Considering my weight and the fact that I like having tires firmer I need narrower tires. What about this? https://www.bike24.com/1.php?content...26%5D=1;page=1
yeah that looks like a better fit for you. Even if you wanted to run 50mm tires, that rim would be perfectly fine. I’ve used 2.1” mtb tires on 15mm rims.

That website doesn’t seem to ship that rim to USA though. If only. $32 is dirt cheap.
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