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Which wheel? Reynolds Blacklabel 65 aero or Bontrager Aeolus Pro 5?

Old 03-21-20, 01:25 PM
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Which wheel? Reynolds Blacklabel 65 aero or Bontrager Aeolus Pro 5?

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Does anyone have some experienced insight to share? I'm relatively new to cycling and I'm upgrading my Scott Addict 10 from Shimano RS-11 wheels, rim brake. I've obtained a rear Reynolds Black label 65 aero with a Industry 9 *noisy* rear hub but now I need a front wheel. It appears the specs are similar except rim depth:


Black Label Aero 65(mm) front has an outer width of 28mm, either a "reynolds" hub or I-9 hub, claimed weight is 720


Aeolus Pro 5 (50mm) front has an outer width of 27.5mm, a "bontrager" hub (note this is *not* the one with DT swiss internals like my LBS dude was telling me), claimed weight is 705.

I plan to use tubeless GP 5000 700x25.

I can get them about the same price...the Bontragers just a few more bucks, but I don't have a lot of bucks otherwise I'd get better wheels. Thanks for your wisdom in advance!
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My OCD would go berserk if my wheels didn't match. Also, with matching wheels, you'll be able to know which tires are easier to mount, and the best method for mounting them. With two different rims, there's more chance for a difficult pair. I'd just get the Reynolds. Especially if they're cheaper and price is a factor.
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My OCD would go berserk if my wheels didn't match.
Oh, absolutely - I don't think that you need to be OCD for something that egregious to drive you nuts. It's entirely acceptable to go with a shallower front rim of the same manufacturer and line, though, and that's what I would suggest looking in to, unless these are going to be special event type wheels. I would imagine that a 65mm front could be challenging in the wind at times.
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Oh, absolutely - I don't think that you need to be OCD for something that egregious to drive you nuts. It's entirely acceptable to go with a shallower front rim of the same manufacturer and line, though, and that's what I would suggest looking in to, unless these are going to be special event type wheels. I would imagine that a 65mm front could be challenging in the wind at times.
Oh, yes, that's fine. The 404/808 combo is damn near holy.
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Oh, absolutely - I don't think that you need to be OCD for something that egregious to drive you nuts. It's entirely acceptable to go with a shallower front rim of the same manufacturer and line, though, and that's what I would suggest looking in to, unless these are going to be special event type wheels. I would imagine that a 65mm front could be challenging in the wind at times.
+2 for the "non matching wheels = crime against humanity".

And +1 to the fact that a front 65 can be challenging in crosswinds. I ride HED 90 front/disc rear on my tri bike, and so am used to a deep section front. On gusty side wind days, i find:
- 90mm to be an exercise in sphincter clenching (especially when buses or trucks pass by)
- 65mm (64mm Rovals, to be specific) to be manageable but requiring some attention during windy days and descents
- 50mm to be perfect in terms of being easy to control is most real world riding conditions

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It took me some time to get used to riding ~60mm on the front, but once I started doing it ALL THE TIME, it rapidly turned into NBD. There are definitely still days I would prefer a ~40mm though.
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Oh, absolutely - I don't think that you need to be OCD for something that egregious to drive you nuts. It's entirely acceptable to go with a shallower front rim of the same manufacturer and line, though, and that's what I would suggest looking in to, unless these are going to be special event type wheels. I would imagine that a 65mm front could be challenging in the wind at times.
I think people say the Reynolds wheels are exceptionally easy to handle for their depth.

https://weightweenies.starbike.com/f...c.php?t=160148

I think the XXX bontragers are also good, but the Pro 5 is a bit less so. Itís a last-gen profile.
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I think people say the Reynolds wheels are exceptionally easy to handle for their depth.
I have 41mm Reynolds Assault SLGs (which supposedly have a more cross-wind friendly shape than the Aero lineup) and I'm ~185. I got blown around a fair bit today in winds that were ~16mph with gusts going up from there. I personally wouldn't want rims that were 20mm+ deeper as my only nice wheels because of days like today.
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I have 41mm Reynolds Assault SLGs (which supposedly have a more cross-wind friendly shape than the Aero lineup) and I'm ~185. I got blown around a fair bit today in winds that were ~16mph with gusts going up from there. I personally wouldn't want rims that were 20mm+ deeper as my only nice wheels because of days like today.
You know the answer, right? Pizza and ice cream.

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Oh, forgot to mention - I recall reading something that said that having a deeper rear makes the front easier to handle, apparently. So having a 60/90 actually is easier than a 60/60. I dont remember the details but there was some science babble involved.
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I'm 205, trying to get down to 185 (no pizza/ice cream!!) where I'll be pretty lean but still heavy. The Xwinds are concerning to me having no experience but most of my riding is on paved trail. I'm not OCD enough to be bothered by wheels that don't match, for me it's all function over aesthetics. That said, I'm heavily leaning to go with the match as it seems to be a better wheel for cheaper than the Aeolus Pro 5. If I could get a black label 48 for cheap, I'd do that but I can't so...65 is likely it.

I thought briefly about an Easton EC90 Aero 55 but...while lighter it's a little more expensive and I've heard mixed reviews on Xwinds. That and their aerodynamics data seems suspect.

Again, thanks for all the comments - I don't know much about cycling other than I enjoy it and I really appreciate you folks taking time to help educate me.
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Oh, forgot to mention - I recall reading something that said that having a deeper rear makes the front easier to handle, apparently. So having a 60/90 actually is easier than a 60/60. I dont remember the details but there was some science babble involved.
I read that recently, it did make sense to me, but I'd also be susceptible to b.s. $$ wise I don't have that option right now, but if it becomes necessary, I'll likely try to sell the front wheel and get something a bit shallower and better to handle in Xwinds.
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Originally Posted by rdeeui View Post
I'm 205, trying to get down to 185 (no pizza/ice cream!!) where I'll be pretty lean but still heavy. The Xwinds are concerning to me having no experience but most of my riding is on paved trail. I'm not OCD enough to be bothered by wheels that don't match, for me it's all function over aesthetics. That said, I'm heavily leaning to go with the match as it seems to be a better wheel for cheaper than the Aeolus Pro 5. If I could get a black label 48 for cheap, I'd do that but I can't so...65 is likely it.

I thought briefly about an Easton EC90 Aero 55 but...while lighter it's a little more expensive and I've heard mixed reviews on Xwinds. That and their aerodynamics data seems suspect.

Again, thanks for all the comments - I don't know much about cycling other than I enjoy it and I really appreciate you folks taking time to help educate me.
The most important lesson you need to take to heart is the matched wheels are a travesty. Even if for some inexplicable reason, you arent bothered by it (and you should be!), think about the others. Think about the example you are setting for the children, man!!!

Jokes apart - the type of crosswinds matter. Under steady crosswinds, it doesnt matter too much. As you are riding on paved trail, you dont have to worry too much about heavy traffic passing you close by and cutting off the wind while you are hammering along, so this wont be an issue: you'll compensate a bit and be good to go. It gets a bit harder with gusty winds - when the magnitude of the crosswind changes. Again, with low to moderate crosswinds and modern wheel profiles, this is surprisingly easy to manage. But a combination of a high speeds and strong gusts, or sharp turns and strong gusts, can be harder.

The area i ride can have horrendous crosswinds. I still do training rides on my TT bike with a 90mm up front. Takes a few days to get used to it again after a long break, but it is doable. Not always fun, but manageable. 65s are not hard at all. But it is weight dependent. I am 185lb trying to get back to 175lb. My wife is 105lb and tried my 90mm once, and then promptly got a 60mm front for her TT bike, which she likes a lot more.

TL;DR - 65mm should be fine. Unless it is the wrong brand, in which case it will assplode.
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It took me some time to get used to riding ~60mm on the front, but once I started doing it ALL THE TIME, it rapidly turned into NBD. There are definitely still days I would prefer a ~40mm though.
Thats what I found. Once you realize you are not going to fall down when hit by a gust of wind, youíre good. It can make you squrilly though.
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I have 41mm Reynolds Assault SLGs (which supposedly have a more cross-wind friendly shape than the Aero lineup) and I'm ~185. I got blown around a fair bit today in winds that were ~16mph with gusts going up from there. I personally wouldn't want rims that were 20mm+ deeper as my only nice wheels because of days like today.
Odd. I weigh 145 and have 56mm rims that have been no issue to keep steady even in blustery conditions. Can I ask what tire youíre running?
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Odd. I weigh 145 and have 56mm rims that have been no issue to keep steady even in blustery conditions. Can I ask what tire youíre running?
Bully for you, but surely this isn't the first time that you've heard that deeper rims can be affected by wind?
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Bully for you, but surely this isn't the first time that you've heard that deeper rims can be affected by wind?
Iím moreso surprised that a deep rim with a good reputation for crosswind handling is giving you issues. Especially since youíre not especially light nor is that rim especially deep. I used to believe that deep rim = bad handling but my mind has been changed.

I was just curious whether your tire choice has anything to do with it. But I suppose theyíre discontinued now so it doesnít matter much.
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Iím moreso surprised that a deep rim with a good reputation for crosswind handling is giving you issues.
You're surprised that I had to pay attention to my handling on a day with 20mph baseline winds and 38mph gusts? Okay.
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If I could find the "like" button, I would like many of the posts here... again thank you! Got the matching front wheel (black label aero 65). We'll see how it goes and I'll watch the gusty xwinds!
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I installed the black aero 65s with new chain and cassette (with social distancing I couldn't get to the bike co-op and had no cassette tool. A kind cyclist in town who does not know me tightened it down for me) new GP5000 25's tubeless. I'm using the Silca tire pressure calculator to determine what pressure to use. Unfortunately, I did not get them weighed before hand so I cannot confirm real world weight, but they're noticeably lighter than my old wheelset.

Please note, I don't have a good comparison (other carbon aero wheel experience) and I've done no extensive study or data collection so take my anecdotal observation for what it's worth. Wow. I cannot believe the difference in acceleration (coming from RS-11 wheelset, Vittoria zaffiro pro tubed) and the aero/tire combo makes a huge difference. It's early in the season and I've shattered some personal records that I set when I was in my best riding shape last year. My speed into a stiff headwind is about 4 mph faster. I took it out in some nasty-to-me crosswinds (crosswind component was roughly 17 gusting to 26) and it handled well (note I'm 205 lbs). Gusts did want to kick my front wheel around a bit but it didn't blow me more than a foot either side of my path.

The most important thing is I enjoy riding more and I'm relieved that it was not a waste of $$ to me.

Again, thanks for the kind advice, all. I really appreciate it.
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Please note, I don't have a good comparison (other carbon aero wheel experience) and I've done no extensive study or data collection so take my anecdotal observation for what it's worth. Wow. I cannot believe the difference in acceleration (coming from RS-11 wheelset, Vittoria zaffiro pro tubed) and the aero/tire combo makes a huge difference. It's early in the season and I've shattered some personal records that I set when I was in my best riding shape last year. My speed into a stiff headwind is about 4 mph faster. I took it out in some nasty-to-me crosswinds (crosswind component was roughly 17 gusting to 26) and it handled well (note I'm 205 lbs). Gusts did want to kick my front wheel around a bit but it didn't blow me more than a foot either side of my path.
Not to be THAT GUY, but honestly, you are unlikely to see a 4mph difference in speed due to wheels. I dont get that when i go from a road bike/regular kit to TT bike with full skinsuit/pointy helmet/rear disc/shoe covers/latex inner tubes.

That little and sad bit of pedantic asshattery on my part aside, glad to know you are enjoying the wheels. Nice wheels and nice tires just make the bike feel so much livelier - that leap when you put in a dig is absolutely the nicest feeling when riding a bike - and regardless of what the speed increase is, that fun factor is really what it is all about.
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