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Old 07-06-05, 08:01 PM
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Shimano vs Look... pedal systems...

Alright time to ditch the speedplays...

I like speedplay but with my huge feet and small platform I am having foot problems and after about 2 hours my foot just aches around the cleat, etc. I am going to a sidi cf soled shoe but I am ready to go to a larger pedal with a bigger platform.

I have narrowed down to 2 pedal systems, shimano spd-r and the look keo carbon. Now I am 6'6", 225 and I wear a 50 cycling shoe (15.5 inch normal US). I have not had an oportunity to ride either system, coming from speedplay they both look complicated. I guess it will jsut take some time to adapt to the new system.

The shimano pedals are about 130 grams heavier (about the same as my speedplays) than the looks. The shimano pedal looks to be better made that the keo carbon. I am a little afraid of a full carbon pedal also not just to my weight but my very very agressive style. Plus lance uses shimano (That is what the guy at the LBS says). I like the cleat on the shimano system, but either seems to be a good system.

I am more concerned about function over weight, plus the dura ace pedal just seems to be a little better built...

BUT for those of you who have used both or either please let me know. I am more interested in teh shimano group though, there is a good thread about the KEOs already online...
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why spd-r and not spd-SL?
just curious.
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Sorry it is the SPD-SL not R (PD-7800)
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I've used both. I really like the SPD-SLs a lot better than the LOOKs. They engage better, have less delicate cleats, and just feel better and more solid. I never worry about pulling up on my pedals, even in a BTTW sprint. The only problem with them I've noticed is the little "Shimano" plate thing in the middle. They seem to wear out rather quickly, and are very noisy when they do. Don't understand that part....

As far as how complicated they are, it's SOOOO difficult to put your toe in first. It really may be too much for you. Especially with your "condition" and all. You might want to just stick with platforms. If you do that, you'll have a much better chance of catching yourself when you start to fall over on hills.

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Old 07-06-05, 09:25 PM
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Wow I actually looked at the post... and it was great until you made your typical smart a$$ comments that we here at the forum just absolutly love...

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Shimano pedals suck. The new Look Keo's are obviously superior in every way. On the other hand, the Shimano pedals are pretty good.
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One thing I did notice about the DA pedals is that the bearings on them are so ungodly smooth and they're perfectly back-weighted. They pretty much always hang butt-side down so that all you have to do is just kick the pedal flat and click in. My Time RXS pedals will sometimes hang upside down because the bearings are kind of tight.
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The DA SPD-SL does not weigh 130 grams more than the Look (not even the titanium one). The weight of the DA is 270 grams and the Look is 220. Anyway, I went through exactly the same process as you and went with Shimano for one reason and one reason only - I wanted two pairs that would service one pair of shoes and cleats. I ened up getting one set of DA for the E5 and one set of Ultegra for the Allez Pro (it was a Felt F35 at the time but is now an Allez Pro!). I couldn't afford two sets of the Keos or DAs, but with the three models from Shimano (105 being the other), the cost wasn't a factor. I came from a Look CX6 set of pedals. So far, the Shimano pedals have been excellent. No hot spots, no clipping out when I didn't want to - though I did increase the tension. Nice for cornering with a low stack height yadda yadda.

Both are great pedals. The Keo being all carbon isn't an issue especially with the CroMo spindle - I doubt you put more power through your bike than Magnus.
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Originally Posted by my58vw
Wow I actually looked at the post... and it was great until you made your typical smart a$$ comments that we here at the forum just absolutly love...

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Why do you bother putting me on your ignore list? You always look at the posts. You probably won't respond to this because you'll feel you win if you pretend not to have read it.... but you still did. It's not dieting if you only do it while people are watching.

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I'm looking into new pedals at the moment as well. Could someone who uses the KEO's please let me know if they sit with the front pointed up when you're not clipped in?

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This guy never learns... I do not see his posts so why does he bother... he must just be wasting time...

ON TOPIC...

You hit one of the reason Iam thinking shimano... I have two bikes that need new pedals, and they both have DA drivetrains... The TT bike has X5's on the right now and X-2's on the road bike... 30 grams in nothing on the TT bike while I would like to keep weight down on the road bike (well it is not all that light in a 63cm but...)
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[QUOTE=my58vw]This guy never learns... I do not see his posts so why does he bother... he must just be wasting time...
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Erm.... I doubt anyone else on this forum is that stupid. You have the mind of a pre-schooler.

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Originally Posted by HobartDave
I'm looking into new pedals at the moment as well. Could someone who uses the KEO's please let me know if they sit with the front pointed up when you're not clipped in?
Yes they end up nose up when unclipped. They're pretty easy to get clipped in and out of.

If this is your first experience going clipless, I'd suggest you get the Keo cleats with 4.5 or maybe the 0 degree float instead of the stock 9 degree cleat. Less float makes it easier to get out of, e.g. less leg rotation to free yourself.

I've seen 2 sets of Shimano pedals burn their bearings up in a fairly short period of time. Don't think I trust them.
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Yes they end up nose up when unclipped. They're pretty easy to get clipped in and out of.

If this is your first experience going clipless, I'd suggest you get the Keo cleats with 4.5 or maybe the 0 degree float instead of the stock 9 degree cleat. Less float makes it easier to get out of, e.g. less leg rotation to free yourself.

I've seen 2 sets of Shimano pedals burn their bearings up in a fairly short period of time. Don't think I trust them.
Thanks for that. I've got SPD-R type pedals at the moment, so unclipping is no problem.

Have you heard much about the keo cleats breaking fairly easily?
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Haven't broken a cleat. They have wear indicators to let you know when they're getting too thin and fragile.

They do wear out quickly if you walk in them, slid on them during a stop, or push off poorly. Invest in some cleat covers if you plan on walking. Luckly the cleats aren't terribly expensive to replace.
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Originally Posted by Crayon
Haven't broken a cleat. They have wear indicators to let you know when they're getting too thin and fragile.

They do wear out quickly if you walk in them, slid on them during a stop, or push off poorly. Invest in some cleat covers if you plan on walking. Luckly the cleats aren't terribly expensive to replace.
Excellent. I've found some keo's for AUS$150. Think I'll be buying next week.
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Since we are talking about Shimano pedals. I have the PD-R600 pedals. I looked at the Shimano site and can't find them. What gives? They still list the PD-R540 ones.
Also I'm not very clear how the quality etc progress from the numbered ones to the Ultegra, Dura Ace.
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Originally Posted by UmneyDurak
Since we are talking about Shimano pedals. I have the PD-R600 pedals. I looked at the Shimano site and can't find them. What gives? They still list the PD-R540 ones.
Also I'm not very clear how the quality etc progress from the numbered ones to the Ultegra, Dura Ace.
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the PD-R600's are last year's version of the 6610's. they're ultegra-level. I think the model change was primarily aesthetic.
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Well I decided on shimano for now. I am going to either try a pair of R600 or R540's, depending how much the LBS wants for them. I am going to leave speedplay on the TT bike for now, I am not riding it all that much at the moment (will start huge in September), and if they work out I will pick up a few pairs of DuraAce 7800's online and move these to the new SS that I am working on...

I am interested in how they will feel compared to the speedplay. I hope they feel more stable then the speedplay which always gave me hotspots around the cleat area...
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Originally Posted by baxtefer
the PD-R600's are last year's version of the 6610's. they're ultegra-level. I think the model change was primarily aesthetic.
They are identical to the Ultegras, but ....... the R600s are currently on sale at Nashbar for $71 - a great price. The only difference between the Ultegras and the R600s is what is silk screened (?) on the pedal. Both models list at 308g. But, if you insist on paying twice as much, you can always go for the Ultegras.
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You can find the Keo's for about $120 at www.probikekit.com. I use them and find them to work very well--no complaints at all. The cleats are rather slippery though, so its a good idea to get some cleat covers if you can find them.
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I also have both. Keo cleats wear out much faster. They still develop the annoying sqeak that all Looks do. I like the Shimano more overall. For one thing they are easier to walk in. But more importantly, they are more comfortable in terms of feel - the pivot point where the cleat turns on the pedal is slightly more forward with the Shimano.
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I have two pairs of the R600 pedals and have never had any foot issues on long rides. They always sit nose up and are quite easy to clip into, although when you do miss your foot slides right off (compared to somewhat grabbing like it does with my SPD's). For $71 from Nashbar, I don't think you can beat them. I'm considering buying a third pair just to have in case I break one of mine. I also have the tension dialed all the way down and have never unclipped when standing. The PD-6610, according to Shimano, has a new finish to match the new Ultegra 6600 components and has a slightly wider platform.
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Why don't you try the new shoes with the Speedplays? The stiffness of the CF sole should be enough to keep hot spots away. The cleat is large enough, and in reality becomes your platform when it is attached to the pedal.
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Originally Posted by StanSeven
I also have both. Keo cleats wear out much faster. They still develop the annoying sqeak that all Looks do. I like the Shimano more overall. For one thing they are easier to walk in. But more importantly, they are more comfortable in terms of feel - the pivot point where the cleat turns on the pedal is slightly more forward with the Shimano.
I've experienced the opposite concerning sqeaks. My Keo's have never sqeaked but my riding partner's Shimano's do. Go figure.

Yes, the Look cleats wear out faster, but the shimano cleats cost a lot more.
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