Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Addiction LXXVIII

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Addiction LXXVIII

Old 05-17-20, 12:25 PM
  #6251  
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
A question for the runners: at what pace does "running" become walking? Wondering because an old high school acquaintance logs "runs" just about every day on Strava. I finally saw him "running" when I was out on a bike ride and it struck me as an old guy shuffle-step more than anything. I think that he's typically in the 10:30-12 minute mile pace.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 12:25 PM
  #6252  
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Oh, there's a high bar.
I thought you'd like that.
WhyFi is offline  
Likes For WhyFi:
Old 05-17-20, 12:26 PM
  #6253  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
So here's the famous shower:



That doesn't even really do it justice.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Likes For Bah Humbug:
Old 05-17-20, 12:30 PM
  #6254  
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
So here's the famous shower:

That doesn't even really do it justice.
Nice shower. It's famous? Is this in the new house?
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 12:33 PM
  #6255  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi
A question for the runners: at what pace does "running" become walking? Wondering because an old high school acquaintance logs "runs" just about every day on Strava. I finally saw him "running" when I was out on a bike ride and it struck me as an old guy shuffle-step more than anything. I think that he's typically in the 10:30-12 minute mile pace.
There are multiple answers.

Technically, running requires airborne time during the stride; that's why race-walking (vomit) is a thing. Competitive race-walkers (vomit) move faster than a lot of runners who do leave the ground.

Separately, there's a matter of intent. There's a 70-something-year-old man here who races sprint tris and while his "runs" aren't exactly fast, but he's leaning forward and pumping his arms and moving as fast as he can. That puts him on a different level, to me, from people who overcooked the bike and are doing the Ironman Shuffle with 25 miles to go.

I wouldn't say there's a distinct pace where it changes.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Likes For Bah Humbug:
Old 05-17-20, 12:33 PM
  #6256  
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,259

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 561 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22762 Post(s)
Liked 9,160 Times in 4,249 Posts
I am guessing they bought the house for the shower.
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Likes For datlas:
Old 05-17-20, 12:36 PM
  #6257  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bristol, R. I.
Posts: 4,340

Bikes: Specialized Secteur, old Peugeot

Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 663 Post(s)
Liked 496 Times in 299 Posts
I've had the best of both worlds, or so I like to think. Born in Brooklyn but grew up 70 miles north in the Hudson Valley in an agricultural community. As a young man I commuted into the city by train after crossing the river on a ferry. In those days the river would freeze solid if not kept open by the Coast Guard. I had friends who would ice boat in some shallower areas while ships made their way up the middle. After Interstate 84 was built, the ferry stopped running but it had been recently been reinstated.
berner is offline  
Likes For berner:
Old 05-17-20, 12:46 PM
  #6258  
smelling the roses
 
seedsbelize's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Tixkokob, Yucatán, México
Posts: 15,320

Bikes: 79 Trek 930, 80 Trek 414, 84 Schwinn Letour Luxe (coupled), 92 Schwinn Paramount PDG 5

Mentioned: 104 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7081 Post(s)
Liked 901 Times in 612 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
So here's the famous shower:



That doesn't even really do it justice.
How frequently will the two of you be in there at the same time?
__________________
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Auto-pause is a honey-tongued devil whispering sweet lies in your ear.


seedsbelize is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 12:52 PM
  #6259  
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 43,259

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 561 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22762 Post(s)
Liked 9,160 Times in 4,249 Posts
Originally Posted by seedsbelize
How frequently will the two of you be in there at the same time?
Family forum!!
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 12:55 PM
  #6260  
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by seedsbelize
How frequently will the two of you be in there at the same time?
I've been married long enough that my wife doesn't even go for the "let's conserve some water" excuse anymore.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 12:57 PM
  #6261  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi
Nice shower. It's famous? Is this in the new house?
That was literally the reason we jumped on the house. Still a few weeks until we actually move, likely, since we have this rental through August and it's not like we have other stuff to schedule. And there are things that have to be done like getting the water heater replaced, getting a fridge in, carpets cleaned, etc. We're finally going to get that extra fridge, too, in paranoia about another round of foot shortages come fall.

Oh and I'm going to go full trainer geek and put the old S1 in tri config on an MP1. No more bike swapping. I can get it through the shop with my team discount, and if I'm going to be on it for like eight hours a week...
Bah Humbug is offline  
Likes For Bah Humbug:
Old 05-17-20, 12:57 PM
  #6262  
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Technically, running requires airborne time during the stride; that's why race-walking (vomit) is a thing. Competitive race-walkers (vomit) move faster than a lot of runners who do leave the ground.
I'm not really certain that he qualifies from a technical standpoint.

Side note: that was a great episode of Malcolm in the Middle.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 12:58 PM
  #6263  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by datlas
I am guessing they bought the house for the shower.
Ding ding ding!

Literally the deciding factor was that it would cost us five figures to get a bathroom done the way we'd like in a normal house, and this one was priced like the others.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 01:01 PM
  #6264  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by seedsbelize
How frequently will the two of you be in there at the same time?
Funny story: the inability for both of us to get into a shower causes friction. We obviously get back from rides at the same time, and often want to shower at the same time in the morning before work. The old house and her condo had big enough showers for that (though not to this scale); the apartment we rented between those and the house we're in now don't, and the shower lag is a killer.

So probably 10x/week. Ish.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 01:03 PM
  #6265  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi
I'm not really certain that he qualifies from a technical standpoint.

Side note: that was a great episode of Malcolm in the Middle.
Yes. But as mentioned we've been watching the IAAF track championship from Doha last year (just finished last night, actually, roughly 40 hours of coverage) and they had racewalking overnight a few nights. It honestly seems like some of the Ironman completitors would be better served focusing on that as a strategy than pretending they're going to run.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Likes For Bah Humbug:
Old 05-17-20, 01:12 PM
  #6266  
VFL For Life
 
Velo Vol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 51,631

Bikes: Velo Volmobile

Mentioned: 781 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28972 Post(s)
Liked 1,936 Times in 1,363 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi
A question for the runners: at what pace does "running" become walking? Wondering because an old high school acquaintance logs "runs" just about every day on Strava. I finally saw him "running" when I was out on a bike ride and it struck me as an old guy shuffle-step more than anything. I think that he's typically in the 10:30-12 minute mile pace.
My fast walking, in my current joint condition, is about 13:45/mile.

Someone pointed out that hiking counts more than walking, because at least then it shows up on the "training log."

I have qualms about calling a walk on pavement a "hike," though. This is a Stava ethical dilemma.
__________________
Originally Posted by Velo Vol
People here don't get it.
Velo Vol is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 01:17 PM
  #6267  
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by Velo Vol
My fast walking, in my current joint condition, is about 13:45/mile.
Pffft - and you question the walking exploits of NYC residents.

Originally Posted by Velo Vol
This is a Stava ethical dilemma.
Ooof. Tough one.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 01:21 PM
  #6268  
VFL For Life
 
Velo Vol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Knoxville, TN
Posts: 51,631

Bikes: Velo Volmobile

Mentioned: 781 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 28972 Post(s)
Liked 1,936 Times in 1,363 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Technically, running requires airborne time during the stride; that's why race-walking (vomit) is a thing. Competitive race-walkers (vomit) move faster than a lot of runners who do leave the ground.
Race-walking counts too!

From what I recall (I've not run in years) fast walking is more tiring than slow jogging. I would definitely do the later if my knees cooperated.
__________________
Originally Posted by Velo Vol
People here don't get it.
Velo Vol is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 01:21 PM
  #6269  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by Velo Vol
My fast walking, in my current joint condition, is about 13:45/mile.

Someone pointed out that hiking counts more than walking, because at least then it shows up on the "training log."

I have qualms about calling a walk on pavement a "hike," though. This is a Stava ethical dilemma.
I'll Strava it if it is swim/ bike/ run for the purpose of training. If it's mowing the lawn or grocery shopping or walking all day on vacation, no Strava. If you're going as fast as you can for the purpose of going as fast as you can... I'd do it.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 01:23 PM
  #6270  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Race-walking counts too!

From what I recall (I've not run in years) fast walking is more tiring than slow jogging. I would definitely do the later if my knees cooperated.
I don't think it needs to be part of the track and field world championships.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 01:54 PM
  #6271  
LAJ
So it is
 
LAJ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Westminster, CO
Posts: 21,486

Bikes: Luzerne, 684, Boreas, Wheelhouse, Alize©®, Bayamo, Cayo

Mentioned: 247 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11497 Post(s)
Liked 4,899 Times in 2,835 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
So here's the famous shower:



That doesn't even really do it justice.
Way Hot. Very nice.
LAJ is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 01:54 PM
  #6272  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Oh and ordered up some 28c GP5K TLs. Will throw those on this week and give them a try this weekend.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 02:01 PM
  #6273  
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Oh and ordered up some 28c GP5K TLs. Will throw those on this week and give them a try this weekend.
I'll be curious to hear about how easily they mount - one of the guys that I ride with has HED wheels and he swore that the 28mm 5Ks weren't even close to getting over his rims. I think that it was user error. I would have taken them off his hands, but he bought them at the time when they were still $60+ each and that's what he wanted for them. Pffft.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 02:04 PM
  #6274  
serious cyclist
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 21,147

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9334 Post(s)
Liked 3,679 Times in 2,026 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi
I'll be curious to hear about how easily they mount - one of the guys that I ride with has HED wheels and he swore that the 28mm 5Ks weren't even close to getting over his rims. I think that it was user error. I would have taken them off his hands, but he bought them at the time when they were still $60+ each and that's what he wanted for them. Pffft.
Were those the TLs? I got the 23 and 25s non-TLs on just fine; would be easier without a tube to pinch. But yes, do it wrong and you'll break your thumbs and still not have tires on.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 05-17-20, 02:07 PM
  #6275  
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,520

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 354 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20810 Post(s)
Liked 9,456 Times in 4,672 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Were those the TLs? I got the 23 and 25s non-TLs on just fine; would be easier without a tube to pinch. But yes, do it wrong and you'll break your thumbs and still not have tires on.
Yeah, I wouldn't have considered the non-TLs at any price.

He ended up getting the tubed variety and said that they went on easy. I still think it was (mostly) user error.
WhyFi is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.