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Addiction LXXVIII

Old 06-06-20, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Either that chain is really low or you need to cut your lawn.
A little of both.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Probably. Mind, it only counts outdoors and 72*+, so even my sweltering trainer rides did nothing.

And yes, it takes months to acclimate fully.
yup, nothing on my trainer rides in oven of a garage of mine either. I knew about the 72+ degrees thing. I managed not to get “acclimated” the whole summer last year by starting my rides around 6 am.

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The new-ish ones do that now.
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Old 06-06-20, 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by kissTheApex
yup, nothing on my trainer rides in oven of a garage of mine either. I knew about the 72+ degrees thing. I managed not to get “acclimated” the whole summer last year by starting my rides around 6 am.

The new-ish ones do that now.
Yeah I don't think it's accurate at all though. Similarly, heat trashes Performance Condition, even though your actual fitness hasn't changed.
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Originally Posted by kissTheApex
The new-ish ones do that now.
I have no idea what that's a measurement of.

I can say that I'm 0% acclimated to cold. Garmin not required.
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Old 06-06-20, 12:18 PM
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This was in Knoxville yesterday. Note coach is wearing a sweatshirt. #NotSummer


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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Yeah I don't think it's accurate at all though. Similarly, heat trashes Performance Condition, even though your actual fitness hasn't changed.
Can’t trash what I don’t have
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Originally Posted by noodle soup
A family of Gambel's quail having breakfast

We had a small family (only two babies left) in the hedge the other day. I scared the **** out of them when I headed out for a ride and they took off. Neighbor's got 3 outdoor cats, so they've probably a been eaten by now
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Old 06-06-20, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
This was in Knoxville yesterday. Note coach is wearing a sweatshirt. #NotSummer


Poor circulation? Chicken fried steak will do that to ya.
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Originally Posted by kissTheApex
Can’t trash what I don’t have
You know it's all relative to what you were prior to that workout, right? If we split the timeline and take the same version of you, but one day is in 60* and the other is 100*, your Performance Condition could be +5 in the former and -5 in the latter, with zero change in how fit you are.
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Old 06-06-20, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by rjones28
Just trimming the boom.

Can you loan it to Hummer so he can circumcise his steerer??
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
You know it's all relative to what you were prior to that workout, right? If we split the timeline and take the same version of you, but one day is in 60* and the other is 100*, your Performance Condition could be +5 in the former and -5 in the latter, with zero change in how fit you are.
I did NOT know that. That would explain the swings I was getting let’s say Sunday early morning indoor rides versus Monday after work indoor rides.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Can you loan it to Hummer so he can circumcise his steerer??
He could just use one of his fancy Japanese knives.

#prolly
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So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.

Anyone have some evidence based answers?
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Originally Posted by datlas
So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.

Anyone have some evidence based answers?

Whoooooooooooosh, anybody else hear that go over my head?
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Old 06-06-20, 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
This was in Knoxville yesterday. Note coach is wearing a sweatshirt. #NotSummer


And he takes his mask off to talk. Right up there with being clueless to the ubiquity of cameras.
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Originally Posted by datlas
So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.

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It's a bike, datlas go out and enjoy yourself.
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It's a bike, datlas go out and enjoy yourself.
Ok I can do that.
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Originally Posted by datlas
So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.

Anyone have some evidence based answers?

IIRC, Heathpack's coach told her to pedal on moderate downhills like that.
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I just got in from a two wheeled standing water tour of the village. 4? 5? km. On my newish to me beater bike. A much too small framed hybrid, which gives a very nice ride. For this particular ride, it was good to know I could quickly get both feet down, if need be. Toe strike is an issue, but soonish I will be healthy enough to not be concerned with crashing. Tomorrow morning I hope to go to senior hour at the grocery store.
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Originally Posted by datlas
So I have a question. Maybe I should ask the marginal gains podcast gang, but I will start here. My suspicion is it doesn’t make much of a difference, but the question involves whether you should pedal downhill when going medium pace, say at 25MPH on a 3-4% downhill. I usually do soft pedal at maybe 50-100w, and I expect that gets me only 1 MPH faster than just coasting. It’s easy to calculate the gain/cost using an online calculator to estimate the aero benefits of coasting vs pedaling and the speed difference at coasting vs soft-pedaling. The harder part is figuring out if the modest power output “costs” anything from future output needed when the inevitable next climb starts.
Zero science to this answer but my habit is that once you're at 25 mph downhill mostly rest until you're near the bottom.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Zero science to this answer but my habit is that once you're at 25 mph downhill mostly rest until you're near the bottom.

sounds legit.
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
And he takes his mask off to talk. Right up there with being clueless to the ubiquity of cameras.
I think he's used to being on camera when out in public.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Zero science to this answer but my habit is that once you're at 25 mph downhill mostly rest until you're near the bottom.
Many many years ago I overheard the advice to pedal in those instances, for the gyro action, resulting in better balance. The receiver of the advice was a young inexperienced rider soon setting out on a cross country tour.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
I think he's used to being on camera when out in public.
Thus he takes his mask off to talk? Why of course! What was I thinking?

Edit: I realize that Americans have little experience in mask etiquette. We've been wearing them for six weeks, when away from home. And in the home, if there is a visitor
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