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Virtual Trainer and video training

Old 07-07-05, 12:29 PM
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Tacx has this cool looking virtual trainer, I think it is called i-magic. Anyway, I was thinking about buying it for this coming winter. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with it and its accessories. Specifically,

The Steering Frame
Real life videos from famous European cycling venues.
Virtual reality software

The picture below shows the unit I am considering. Looking forward to your comments.

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is the girl included?
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Iv'e had mine for 3 winter seasons now. Its awesome. I race people from all over the world all winter long. no boredom

get one and this winter just try and see if you can beat me on a course.

HOws that for some motivational training.
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How much do those things cost?
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Originally Posted by lowracer1
Iv'e had mine for 3 winter seasons now. Its awesome. I race people from all over the world all winter long. no boredom

get one and this winter just try and see if you can beat me on a course.

HOws that for some motivational training.

Also, this is where you go to post your runs and race others. You can race against up to 5 guys at once.

http://imagic.e-cycling.se/index.php

You can check out my runs if ya want.
Chris Evans

I've done quite a few of the courses, but no where near all of them.
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Originally Posted by lowracer1
Also, this is where you go to post your runs and race others. You can race against up to 5 guys at once.

http://imagic.e-cycling.se/index.php

You can check out my runs if ya want.
Chris Evans

I've done quite a few of the courses, but no where near all of them.
How real is it using a computer screen? What size screen do you use? I was thinking it might be even more realistic with head mounted virtual reality googles instead of a screen.

Has anyone had experience with VR googles? I've seen them advertised for about $500.

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Originally Posted by TexasGuy
How much do those things cost?
Looks like about $800
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That thing is pretty cool. That would be a lot of fun in the winter instead of staring at the wall/tv.

Too bad it's $800, anyone else have one?
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I this the same one?
http://www.trisports.com/taitr.html
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Does anyone use this... http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=6200
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Well, I went ahead and ordered this unit from Nashbar using their 20% off coupon. Seemed like too good to pass up. I hope it turns out to be a good investment. The unit I ordered does not include the steering frame though. I wonder if I really need it?
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The link takes me to an archive. I have registered and looked at different courses, and it seems all I can do is post my rides. How do you challenge people? When you're racing, can you see the other people as you pass them?
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Originally Posted by Totoro
How real is it using a computer screen? What size screen do you use? I was thinking it might be even more realistic with head mounted virtual reality googles instead of a screen.

Has anyone had experience with VR googles? I've seen them advertised for about $500.
I normally use a 21" trinitron computer monitor, but in the past I've hooked up the imagic in my theater on the 10' widescreen. It looks pretty awesome once put through the scaler and scaled to 720 progressive. Ive never tried the virtual reality glasses. Seems to me it would get to darn hot wearing those things plus the wires that would be needed to come off the glasses to the computer.
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www.chucksbikes.com (One of my favorite Online Bike retailers.) Sell almost exclusively overstock items.

Go to his online store then select the group "Other"

In there you will find the Cateye Gamebike which attaches to your Playstation 2.
$120
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Originally Posted by squeegy200
www.chucksbikes.com (One of my favorite Online Bike retailers.) Sell almost exclusively overstock items.

Go to his online store then select the group "Other"

In there you will find the Cateye Gamebike which attaches to your Playstation 2.
$120
Thank you. I was hoping someone would have posted that. $800 to ride inside? No thanks
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Originally Posted by Raiyn
Thank you. I was hoping someone would have posted that. $800 to ride inside? No thanks
I actually paid about $500 with shipping. Your option would run like this:

Cateye gamebike (does not include trainer) $120
Taxc flowtrainer $400
Playstation 2 (I don't already have one) $130
Game software for playstation $50
Grand Total: $700

Seems like the virtual trainer is a better deal if you have a PC and not a Playstation.
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Originally Posted by squeegy200
www.chucksbikes.com (One of my favorite Online Bike retailers.) Sell almost exclusively overstock items.

Go to his online store then select the group "Other"

In there you will find the Cateye Gamebike which attaches to your Playstation 2.
$120
I assume the Cateye does not have an interface to provide feedback on cadence, velocity, heart rate, watts, etc. I also assume it does not adjust to changes in terrain such as slope, ground type, etc. One thing it does have is steering. The Tacx requires a separate steering frame for that.
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Originally Posted by Totoro
Well, I went ahead and ordered this unit from Nashbar using their 20% off coupon. Seemed like too good to pass up. I hope it turns out to be a good investment. The unit I ordered does not include the steering frame though. I wonder if I really need it?
Congrats on the new buy. Have you received it yet? My concern is that it wouldn't be as good a quality trainer as something like the Cycleops Fluid2 trainer (which i've seen for $207). If you have it already, i would love to hear how well it functions as a trainer and how well it works when hooked up to the computer.

Also, how much does the steering fork cost?

thanks.
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Originally Posted by koreansteve
Congrats on the new buy. Have you received it yet? My concern is that it wouldn't be as good a quality trainer as something like the Cycleops Fluid2 trainer (which i've seen for $207). If you have it already, i would love to hear how well it functions as a trainer and how well it works when hooked up to the computer.

Also, how much does the steering fork cost?

thanks.
The steering fork costs almost $200, which is why I thought I would try without it first. Assembly looks pretty detailed and involves hooking various wires and bolts to pedals and handlebars. Since I am not planning to use it until the weather turns sour in the winter, I was thinking of not putting it together until the winter. Then I can leave my bike attached to the unit until spring. This will be my first trainer, so I won't be able to compare it with other units. However, it has a special design that interfaces with the computer to vary resistance based on terrain, wind, and other effects.
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Any further thoughts on the i-Magic?


Can you race others live?
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I bought the tacx fortius with steering frame. I find that the steering is very difficult to control, and often bump into things, which on the fortius, means you have to start your pedaling all over again. so i often just turn it off.

fortius, although the higher model (with a motor that allows you to coast when going virtual downhill), has issues with the "v-brake" (what's used to build resistence). It gets choppy when riding up steep grades, while from what i understand, the i-magic doesn't have that issue since it uses a magnet to control resistance.

Bottom line - VR trainer is much more fun than normal trainer. There's no way I can go on a normal trainer for over 15 minutes. I typically do 1 hour rides on my VR trainer.

Real videos are quite cool do - biking up a steep part of the pyrenees - 6.3 miles - takes me an hour. I need to lose weight and bike faster!
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What power level should I be looking to train at?
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What power level should I be looking to train at?
That depends on what your threshold power is.

http://www.cyclingpeakssoftware.com/power411/levels.asp
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I personally have a computrainer and really like it. There are pros and cons on both tacx and computrainer devices. It seems computrainer has better support in the US when something goes wrong.
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Originally Posted by Totoro View Post
Well, I went ahead and ordered this unit from Nashbar using their 20% off coupon. Seemed like too good to pass up. I hope it turns out to be a good investment. The unit I ordered does not include the steering frame though. I wonder if I really need it?
Steering frame is meh at best. You can't use it on the RLV's and you don't need it to ride the VR stuff, in fact the ride is argueably better without it.

Sadly I've managed to put more miles on my Fortius so far this winter than actual road miles last summer.

The only downside to the I-magic in relation to the fortius seems to be that it can't replicate greater than 8% grades.
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