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My Allez Elite came with a... 380 gram saddle?!?!

Old 07-07-05, 05:15 PM
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My Allez Elite came with a... 380 gram saddle?!?!

It's a 2005 Specialized Allez Elite

Yesterday I took the saddle off to weigh it, as I was somewhat curious how the stock Specialized "Body Geometry" saddle compared to various <$110 <200 gram saddles for sale online (Selle Italia SLR Ti, etc). Before putting it on the scale, I was guessing it would be somewhere between 220-270 grams.

The digital postage scale says... 380 grams!

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Old 07-07-05, 05:20 PM
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I hope it's aweful comfy for that much material.

If you don't mind the total weight of the bike, then keep it. Especially if it is very comfortable.

However, if you are an uncontrollable die-hard weight weenie, then just go get and SLR, and knock about 1/2 pound off the total weight of the bike.
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Originally Posted by Patriot
I hope it' aweful comfy for that much material.

If you don't mind the total weight of the bike, then keep it. Especially if it is very comfortable.

However, if you are a an uncontrollable die-hard weight weeni, then just go get and SLR, and knock about 8ozs, 250g, 1/2 pound, off the total weight of the bike.
It is quite comfortable... Probably much more than it needs to be when I'm wearing my "good" louis garneau shorts. The two grey "gel" pad areas on the saddle are quite squishy.

This being my first real road bike, it's my first chance to see what advantages I can gain by shaving weight.

Two plain silver alloy Specialized bottle cages + 4 bolts weigh 128 grams, while two generic carbon cages + bolts will be more like 70 grams.

380 gram saddle minus 180 gram Selle Italia replacement = 200 grams
128 gram cage pair minus 70 gram replacement pair = 58 grams

285 grams / 28.5 grams per ounce = 10 ounces saved, or 0.62 pounds
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Old 07-07-05, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by thewalrus
This being my first real road bike, it's my first chance to see what advantages I can gain by shaving weight.
Not to burst your bubble here or anything, but the answer to the "what advantages can be gained by shaving grams" question is simply that it makes it a little easier to lift your bike onto your car's rack, or carry it up the stairs. Unless you're dropping some serious weight off the bike (like weights best measured in pounds, not grams), it will make absolutely no discernable performance difference.

That said, some people find enjoyment in finding ways to trim down the weight of their bike. If you're just after a light bike, go for it.
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Originally Posted by KevinF
it will make absolutely no discernable performance difference.
agreed! i think my goal is to be able to carry some items with me in a seatbag (patch kit, 1 spare tube, patch glue, tire lever, one small multitool) and still have the bike weigh the same as when i bought it from the shop. If by shaving weight on the saddle I can fit the seatbag and items mentioned above into a 10 to 14 ounce weight budget, I'll be happy.
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Old 07-07-05, 05:58 PM
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I've got the same saddle and I think you'll grow to like it. I'd gladly add the extra weight for the difference in comfort I've enjoyed.
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Rip it off, right now!
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if you're really worried about weight, you are riding the heavier, thicker, and more padded gel version of that saddle. There is a lesss padded, lighter one of the same design called the alias. It also has a cf shell, i believe. The designs of the two are very similar (identical shape, but yours has more padding and some gel inserts). I just thought you may want to know in case you really want to go lighter but like the saddle shape. I have the same saddle, and now that i have it positioned right, it is really comfortable. I am a big fan of the cutout in the middle.
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I think that a lot of the time such bikes come with lower-end seats (less comfy and/or heavier) because Specialized is assuming you're going to swap it out when you purchase for whatever seat you typically like and ride. That's why most middle-high end bikes don't come with pedals.
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Originally Posted by thewalrus
380 gram saddle minus 180 gram Selle Italia replacement = 200 grams
128 gram cage pair minus 70 gram replacement pair = 58 grams

285 grams / 28.5 grams per ounce = 10 ounces saved, or 0.62 pounds
You were cool up until the total...258/28.5=9.05 ounces saved, or .57 lbs.

Oh yeah... I got my pocket protector on!
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Originally Posted by Boogs
You were cool up until the total...258/28.5=9.05 ounces saved, or .57 lbs.

Oh yeah... I got my pocket protector on!
oops! it was a typo that I replicated in my calculations... For the pocket protector crowd, does a Texas Instruments scientific calculator fit in a jersey pocket? Perhaps we'll get a post from a Rivendell customer extolling the virtues of slide-rules.
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I took a SLK off my Salsa in favor of that 380g saddle. Man is it comfortable. 64 mi yesterday and 51 mi today will attest to that. No numbing, and no soreness. Love it love it love it.
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If it didn't feel heavy before putting on the scales, it shouldn't feel heavy after putting it on the scales...
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I just bought that sadle because any ride over 30 miles on my SLR was killing me. I cant notice the weight difference at all. the only thing I can notice is being a hell of a lot more compfortable on my rides.
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I have an 05 Allez Elite like yours (but in Silver) and I have found the seat to be extremely comfortable. I thought it would have been lighter as well, I was surprised when I saw it listed at 365 grams on the Specialized website. Oh well, it works and is comfortable.
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Zurich- nice avatar.
Are you paying hommage to the cards due to them being 13.5 games up on the cubs?
Or are you a W. Sox fan getting pumped for the WS

Regarding the seat - I have an '04 Allez Elite. Slightly diferent seat. Pretty comfy. My thought is when you buy a $1,000 bike you don't sweat a few grams here and there. I didn't spend the $$$ to get the lighter (but otherwise the same) pedals or bottle cages, etc. I figure that I'll save a few bucks and if I want to be lighter I'll lose 2 or 3 lbs on my body rather than spend a lot of money to shave a pound off my bike. Are you to the point where you can't lose a few pounds off your body like a lot of the pro bikers?
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