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PCO - a definition

Old 07-08-05, 05:11 AM
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Awesome. I like this attitude.

We need our own logo though. Maybe a OCP symbol with a slash through it...Hehe.
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Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
The PCO is a performance/cost obsessive

      funny

      I would say 36 spokes front and rear because PCO doesn't care about the added weight when he has to worry about cobble stone roads like Paris-Roubaix.

      CF bottle cage? That's should be banned for the PCO!
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      There seem to be quite a few "name" brand parts on your bike. Unless you consider Coninental and Campagnolo to be 'off' brand manufactures

      BTW by defining your 'look' isn't that the very essence of OCP?
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      I like this and while most people here will immediately label me as OCP, I've always had a side of me that felt I didn't fully belong. PCO helps explains that side.

      Yes, I have 4 bikes and they are name brands, but NONE of them were puchased new.

      -All the frames were incredible deals through many hours of research
      -I have one bike spec'd with Record and other nice things, but it isn't built. The others have used Ultegra.
      -I prefer names like Ritchey, Thomson and Forte over ITT
      -I own a set of Rolfs and AC 350s, but I speak highly of Neuvation, Speedreams and Mike Garcia
      -I ride with Sidi shoes - they have 2 straps and cost $100
      -my latest "bling" is a Bell Ghisallo helmet which I traded a pair of pedals for.
      -my favorite saddle is a $50 Performance Forte Pro SLX
      -I spend an inordinate amount of time researching and shopping for things new and used online.
      -I build and maintain all my own bikes.

      And of course, I ride. I do enjoy dropping the fully kitted lad on the $5k steed from time to time. But I also don't mind getting dropped.

      Oh, and I'm OBSESSED with every aspect of all this.

      Did I mention I'm also a fence walker?

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      This sounds a lot like the OCP prez to me. Read the post on Trinity!!!

      No name quality frame, painted custom.

      Value hunter for gruppo piece by piece via ebay. Pieced together as the value hunter found the right pieces, not bought all at once and slapped together in order to expedite the poseur in him.

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      Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
      The PCO is a performance/cost obsessive

      He carefully chooses cycling products that give him the best quality performance for the lowest price.

      He regards typical brands with disdain.

      He likes to stand out from the crowd.

      He does not own a Trek.

      His favourite topic of conversation is the fact that all the major brands get their bikes made in Taiwan and just put different decals on them.

      Here is a PCO's dream bike;


        OR

                              The PCO delights in four things.

                              1. Dropping people riding posh bikes and in full pro team kit on rides and in races
                              2. Spending the money he's saved on cycling trips
                              3. Long, long rides with other PCO's
                              4. Surfing the internet to save pennies

                              The PCO wears plain clothes that he picks up in the sales, or club kit. He wears Carnac over Sidi or Nike, and gets his eyewear for under ten quid. His tan is real. He does more than 200 miles a week. He commutes by bike. He's not scared of crashing. He believes if you are cold on the bike, you aren't riding hard enough.

                              PCO's, we salute you!!
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                              Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
                              The PCO is a performance/cost obsessive

                              He carefully chooses cycling products that give him the best quality performance for the lowest price.

                              He regards typical brands with disdain.

                              He likes to stand out from the crowd.

                              He does not own a Trek.
                              Vanity of vanity saith the Preacher,… all is vanity.

                              Or, with apologies to the Bard:

                              A pose by any other name ... is still a pose.

                              Putting aside the fact that OCP, and I assume PCO, are entirely for fun, at the extremes one is internally driven (either on an aesthetic or performance basis), in which case there is no posing, or externally driven (i.e., considers the impact on or opinion of others) in which case everything is posing, including the reverse chic of disdaining posh bikes.

                              Most of us fall somewhere in between.

                              Thus, many OCP will ride their sweet, poseriffic bikes like all hell at the STP.
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                              Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
                              CF bars and Zero Gravity brakes? You cannot use the term 'value hunter' along with the most expensive brakes in the world! a PCO would spend that money on 2 weeks in the Italian Alps!!

                              All of those items on the PCO list are really cheap. You could assemble a bike like that in the US for around $1000.

                              True enough re: name brand stuff. I was thinking more along the lines of your "theory" of POC. Not just walking into the shop, Rodney Dangerfield circa Caddyshack style and buying up the poseur gear. An OCP would have gone straight for the DeRosa King or Colnago Ferrari frame for bling points.

                              True enought about the 0G breaks though, Oops on my part.

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                              A real PCO picks Northwave
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                              Originally Posted by zensuit
                              A real PCO picks Northwave

                              Northwave is starting to get expensive. They used to be good/cheap now they are good/not so cheap. As PCO goes there are certain things I would never go cheap on, like shoes/helmet/shorts. These things relate directly to how much I enjoy riding my bike. If wearing Sidi shoes and Castelli bibs is OCP so be it, my comfort is way to important. I've tried less expensive bibs, like Voler and they gave saddle sores within 20 miles.
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                              Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
                              ...PCO's also prefer their bikes to be hand-made by a Taiwanese man. They are less distracted by food and women than Italians....
                              hilarious. explains everything about italian-made products: they look great, but fall apart....
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                              Originally Posted by Ostuni
                              hilarious. explains everything about italian-made products: they look great, but fall apart....

                              Yeah I just hate it when my Campy components and wheels just fall apart. God I should'a went with Sora instead of Record!
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                              Originally Posted by 2Rodies
                              Yeah I just hate it when my Campy components and wheels just fall apart. God I should'a went with Sora instead of Record!
                              touche. (i was thinking more of fiat, etc...)
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                              Ok, I think I can up the ante in this club.

                              - All carbon EPX 303 frame and fork - on ebay $350
                              - Travativ Elita Cranks - $40
                              - Shimano 105 shifter and derailleurs - Purchased new from nashbar with 20% off - $220
                              - Shimano Exage brakes - Flea market NOS - @10
                              - Ebay wheelset - mismatched w/ Michellin Pro Race tires and cassette - $85
                              - Selle Italia Flite Gel Flow Ti saddle - $45
                              - Flea market setapost and stem - $10
                              - Odds and ends - $30

                              Right under $800

                              Most of my kit has been bought from ebay. A couple of brand new Castelli Jerseys one for $12 and one for $15 are prizes of my bargain hunting. The shoes are Nike, also from ebay, new, about $20.
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                              A new club? Cool.

                              Even though I am the defacto Prez of the OCP, I personally like alot of the Performance and Nashbar brand products.

                              I agree with the first post. My Trinity frame is a frame that is definitely no name. Yet, it performs beautifully, and I made it own. I purchased the best components I could, at the best price I could find. The same bike in a name brand would have easily been $5000, or more. I can honestly say, I saved alot.

                              Keep in mind, PCO has alot more to do with the reality of our obesession. OCP has everything to do with the fantasy and fun of it. There's a huge differance. I think we are all PCO, and grounded in reality. Yet, the little kids in all of us have fun with OCP.

                              PCO has always existed, yet I still think OCP makes life so much more humorous, and easy to deal with. Especially when we are FORCED to live in reality.
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                              The extreme of PCO of course, is that we must buy all our bikes at Walmart, since they really are the most cost effective.

                              So, even though one may CLAIM to be PCO, there is still an underlying level of OCP that is driving our passion.

                              I think PCO and OCP are basically intertwined, forming the sickness within all of us to varying degrees.
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                              Originally Posted by Patriot
                              The extreme of PCO of course, is that we must buy all our bikes at Walmart, since they really are the most cost effective.

                              So, even though one may CLAIM to be PCO, there is still an underlying level of OCP that is driving our passion.

                              I think PCO and OCP are basically intertwined, forming the sickness within all of us to varying degrees.
                              This all getting very Hegelian.
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                              Originally Posted by Ben Cousins
                                    OK...

                                    I will pass on the first two...

                                    But I did downgrade from Campy Centaur to Veloce!!! Can I join???
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                                    I know I don't qualify for OCP but I'm not sure I qualify for PCO. Anyway here goes

                                    Frame – Condor Cycles custom EM2 Baracchi Cyclocross with disc tab option (cheaper than off the peg - go figure?)
                                    Fork – Kona Project 2 disc
                                    Headset – Cane Creek S6
                                    Stem – Deda Big Logo 10cm
                                    Handlebars – Deda Big Piega 44cm
                                    Shifters – Campagnolo Chorus carbon
                                    Derailleurs – Campagnolo Chorus
                                    Hubset – DT Swiss 240S disc 32 hole
                                    Cassette – Campagnolo Chorus 10 13-26
                                    Skewers - Shimano (token shamino bit)
                                    Spokes – stainless straight gauge
                                    Rims – Mavic CXP33 black 32 hole
                                    Tyres – Specialized All Condition Armadillo 700x25
                                    Crankset – Deda Dpower 172.5 36/46 (bought at cost - yeah, baby!)
                                    BB – Deda Dpower Ti (bought at cost - yeah, baby!)
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                                    Brakes – Avid Ball Bearing Road disc brake and disc
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                                    oh yeah, and it was all paid for with money saved by commuting by bike for 5 years.
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                                    My PCO bike -

                                    Left over new LOOK frameset purchased at closeout but with full warranty - Ebay - $376

                                    Centaur groupo purchased at end-of-year closeout from shop listed in back of Velonews - crankset sold off

                                    Record 180 mm crankset (aluminum - CF 180's not released to public... )

                                    Ksyrium wheels off ebay

                                    Baby blue Michelin Pro Race tires - $24 each from Performance (got 6 at once)

                                    Ritchie stem - $7 from Icyles

                                    Cinelli bars - scavenged from previous bike

                                    Black bar tape

                                    Avocet 02 saddle (I like it..thats all that matters)

                                    LOOK ergo post (the old one that was recalled - has yet to break!)

                                    Cheap but effective...
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                                    Does it count if you got your OCP bike at PCO prices? Allthough I would say that my owning LOOK's takes me out of the OCP catagory.
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                                    Of course it does. One can still be a poseur, even if they get a good deal. As some would say, "It's all in the 'tude, Dude."
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                                    Originally Posted by markhr
                                    oh yeah, and it was all paid for with money saved by commuting by bike for 5 years.

                                    OOOOooooooooo.

                                    High PCO marks there!

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                                    Originally Posted by SpongeDad
                                    This all getting very Hegelian.
                                    exactly!! and the synthesis will come in a few months when someone posts "I am just a rider. Here is my club."
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