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Am I the dinosaur?

Old 05-14-20, 10:49 AM
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What does the Rex say? (sung to What does the Fox Say?)

Rim brakes, rim brakes, rim brakes, rim!
DownTube, DownTube, DownTube, shift!
Tubes, tubes, tubes in tyres!
1X, 1X, wut is that?
Gravel, Gravel, Gravel, huh?
Cables, Cables, no batteries to shift!
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Old 05-14-20, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by datlas View Post
What does the Rex say? (sung to What does the Fox Say?)

Rim brakes, rim brakes, rim brakes, rim!
DownTube, DownTube, DownTube, shift!
Tubes, tubes, tubes in tyres!
1X, 1X, wut is that?
Gravel, Gravel, Gravel, huh?
Cables, Cables, no batteries to shift!
Gravel? What's that? (Bicycles are older than "gravel" . Bicycles are older than pavement.)

Down tube shifting? I learned to drive a 2 X 3 on the floor. (Old Willis Jeep with low range. An early compact. The low was really low. 5 mpg max!) Raced a 2 X 5 on the floor. (DT) Funny, that DT stuff still seems to work. ShIfters on my best bike are 35 years old. Like new.

Sailed the Atlantic on cables. OK, we called them "shrouds" and "halyards". (And I am really glad we didn't have to depend on Di2 to get our sails down in building storms!)

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Originally Posted by 79pmooney View Post
That looks like a flying dinosaur. Birds - the dinosaurs that made it. And bats. They go back as far.
Archie dates from the late Jurassic, 150M years ago, about three times as old as the oldest bat.

**** sapiens has been around about a million years. Safety bicycles date from 1876, making them about one million times younger than Archie. Disk brakes were invented much, much later, in 1902.
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I think that the main idea against disc brake bicycles for some is that it forces people to change/upgrade their equipment, period. They have to abandon older equipment/technology that was working good enough for their needs.The planned obsolescence cycle seems to be getting shorter in everything.
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Originally Posted by datlas View Post
What does the Rex say? (sung to What does the Fox Say?)

Rim brakes, rim brakes, rim brakes, rim!
DownTube, DownTube, DownTube, shift!
Tubes, tubes, tubes in tyres!
1X, 1X, wut is that?
Gravel, Gravel, Gravel, huh?
Cables, Cables, no batteries to shift!
When dads log onto YouTube and discover a meme three years late.
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In the future there will be a rim brake fad for their beauty and simplicity
​​​​​​Beauty?
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Old 05-14-20, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
When dads log onto YouTube and discover a meme three years late.
Seven. Which makes it only about 5% the age of safety bikes.
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The term "dinosaur" wasn't even a word until it was coined by Sir Richard Owen in 1842 to describe giant reptiles. It's not really a generic term to describe any old animal fossil like people commonly use the term today. (Fun fact: This is why there is no specific mention of "dinosaurs" in the Bible because the Bible predates the term.)

Hence, this is technically not a dinosaur...

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Old 05-14-20, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
Seven. Which makes it only about 5% the age of safety bikes.
I wasn't going to go looking it up. I'm not that much more clued in than your average dad at this point anyway.
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Originally Posted by Clipped_in View Post
OP, I guess I am a dinosaur too. I'm not a luddite, but I'm not an early adopter either. Like you, I like the simplicity of rim brakes and they are perfectly adequate for my needs. And I do ride a lot in the mountains. Then again, since I'm not racing these days, I ride very high-quality alloy rims, not carbon wheels that seem to be currently mandatory to be a "real" cyclist.

So, ride what you prefer. It's not like rim brake pads and brake cables will not be available anytime soon.
​​​​​​Disc brakes have been available on drop bar bikes for 15 years or more. Only in road cycling does that count as early adopter.
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When dads log onto YouTube and discover a meme three years late.
Guilty as charged.
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There is always a resistance to change for some. Imagine the horror some found when the derailleur was introduced. Talk about complex. Way more so than disc brakes, but you don't hear anyone complaining about why all the good road bikes have them.

Having worked on my own motorcycles, I have no fear of disc brakes and certainly do not see them as some incredibly complicated system that requires a ton of maintenance. Swap pads every so often. Change fluid Every couple of years or if they start getting mushy.
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When it's time to buy a new bike, I'm sure there will be options you want, one way or another. Ride what you like.
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Rim brakes are sort of like manual transmissions in cars. It will get harder to find them. They will exist but discs will account for 90-95% of bikes. I have 3 road bikes and 1 CX bike. The CX has discs and IMO they are just better. But, rim brakes are no big issue for me. As for cars....you couldn't sell me an auto tranny. Go figure. But, that's a different story.
Manuals still exist cause they can make driving more enjoyable and can directly effect how your car drives. My wife and I have the same mazda minivan but mine accelerates faster getting up to highway speed with less noise and drama and doesn't do any weird up or down shifts when taking the Taconic to Albany and not wanting to slow down for the curves or hills. Rim brakes on the other hand don't really add to the overall experience.

One of the biggest reasons I see the move to disc brakes is the whole obsession with the wider is better direction tires are going in. There are limits to what a road caliper can work with and still have good performance stopping and past that you have to move to canti or Vs which in my experience aren't any easier to set up then disc. I've been checking out a trek for my wife and it comes stock with 32c, on an endurance road, in the dinosaur days that would have been a 25c and your Dura Ace or Record would have no trouble clearing it while a 32 would get stuck on the brake bridge and the new bike can fit up to a 38c. That won't work with any decent caliper so disc is the best way to go.
I also like the fact that I can now build wheels that will last for the life of the bike and maybe just need new spokes every 10-15 years.
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Old 05-14-20, 08:39 PM
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Rim brakes are sort of like manual transmissions in cars.
More like drum brakes - cheap and easy.

There's a reason any half decent car or MC has disc brakes.
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I have rim brakes on my two road bikes and disks on my gravel bike and mountain bike. For me, the improvements and or benefits of disks are that yes, they do work well but not that much better than my caliper brakes on alloy rims. On my carbon wheels, yes disks are an improvement. The really big benefits for disks on bikes, road bikes particularly are that frames can accommodate much larger tires, 700 x 30 or more which is a big benefit for comfort; and the thru axle is stronger/better than quick release. So for me, it is the associated benefits of disks. That said, I am not selling my Merlin Ti caliper or Orbea Orca caliper bikes with four sets of excellent wheels just to now go to disks. It is likely that any new bike purchase will be a disk bike because that's what is available. As for the argument of stocking up on parts for calipers, that sounds pretty thin to me. 1. How often do you change pads or 2. how often do you change cables?
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Think about it this way: What do rim brakes do better than disc brakes to justify making both?
As you said, the small aero advantage. I am switching over to discs entirely for my road bikes - have 2 bikes left that are rim brakes: 1 is gonna stay for trainer use, the other is getting sold. But for my TT bike, am going to stick to rim brakes. Not just the aero advantage but because i travel a lot and dont want to have disc rub sucking away precious watts with every turn of the wheel.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
​​​​​​Disc brakes have been available on drop bar bikes for 15 years or more. Only in road cycling does that count as early adopter.
There were disc systems in the 70's.

1970s Masa15 Disc Brakes?
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As you said, the small aero advantage. I am switching over to discs entirely for my road bikes - have 2 bikes left that are rim brakes: 1 is gonna stay for trainer use, the other is getting sold. But for my TT bike, am going to stick to rim brakes. Not just the aero advantage but because i travel a lot and dont want to have disc rub sucking away precious watts with every turn of the wheel.
TT bikes are interesting... I haven't paid much attention to if any pros are riding disks yet on their TT bikes. Triathletes certainly have embraced disks on their hyper-aero bikes, so I don't see why TT bikes wouldn't follow suit.
BTW, If your disks are rubbing, your brakes might need some love I'd go insane if my brake pads were rubbing on the discs...
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Though the balance is changing, there are still Dura-Ace caliper-based group sets in the pro peloton. So the sunset of the caliper brake is still a ways off. At this point favoring one or the other seems a reasonable discussion and worthy argument as there are advantages to be had with either. However, having recently transitioned from a 2007 Ultegra caliper to a 2020 Ultegra disc (and not a member of any peloton), I see it as desirable advancement and won't be going back. I'd bet dollars-to-donuts the caliper brake will fade away like down-tube shifters versus STI levers.

But there's a difference between holding off the transition from caliper brakes to disc and... say... demanding a mechanical odometer for your bike.

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If the tyre loses traction while braking, it doesn't matter what type of brake one uses. The Anti-lock Braking System was not developed because cars needed more power to stop, but because the brakes had too much power and people didn't know how to use it. We don't need more stopping power, we need people to learn how to use it. The next 'innovation' for e-bikes will definetely be ABS as the riding speed increases and e-bikes merge with electric motorbikes.

The wider tyre trend started with the arrival of mass produced carbon frames and wheels. The imaginary want for 'stiffness' has become too stiff. Enter wide tyres. All of a sudden disc brakes become a 'must and much needed safety item' as opposed to a fit issue. So all this useless 'innovation' and upgrading, just to make a bike more compliant (or flexible) because the bikes of old made of metal were flexible 🙃. The circle is complete now 🙃

My rant is not about the 'want' aspect of it, it's about the 'need' aspect of it. A manufactured need, is not a real need.

However, if having disc brakes gets you out riding, by all means, get riding.
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