Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

new Roval CL50 wheels asymmetric- any info?

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

new Roval CL50 wheels asymmetric- any info?

Old 08-03-20, 03:17 PM
  #1  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
new Roval CL50 wheels asymmetric- any info?

I believe there has been a change in the ROVAL CL50 wheel sets- I believe they will be asymmetric. Meaning the front wheel is a little wider than the rear wheel for aerodynamic reasons. At this point, these wheels are certified for tube only. A salesman showed me this on a new Tarmac they had in the store. There is very little info on this- the salesman believes:

1) Price will still be $1750
2) There are no other significant differences
3) When Roval has a chance to complete testing, they will be certified for tubeless use- there will not be different models marketed for tube or tubeless.
4) If I order a set of CL50s now, they will arrive asymmetric.
5) The weights are the same.

I have a chance to buy some dealer new "take-off" CL50s that have Specialized Turbo Gripton 26c tube tires- and the rear wheel already has the SRAM freehub adapter (which I need) for $1750. Before I buy, I'm trying to find out more about the asymmetric wheels- assuming they're available at all. If there is significant difference, improvement, model upgrade, etc. No info on Roval site about this- or anywhere else I could find.

Anyone know anything about this? I want to move my build along- but don't want to find out later that I bought "last year's model" missing new improvements.

Thanks......
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 03:39 PM
  #2  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 30,648

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13594 Post(s)
Liked 2,871 Times in 1,537 Posts
So you're saying that this is a new wheelset that's arriving on the new Tarmacs but they're not the CL or CLX Rapide? Because they've been pretty adamant that those are tube-only and that making them tubeless would have required more rim material.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 04:58 PM
  #3  
Bah Humbug
runner
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 16,416

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6047 Post(s)
Liked 1,663 Times in 889 Posts
Sounds like a confused or bull****ting salesman.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Likes For Bah Humbug:
Old 08-03-20, 05:00 PM
  #4  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 30,648

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13594 Post(s)
Liked 2,871 Times in 1,537 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Sounds like a confused or bull****ting salesman.
Yup, that was my first thought, too.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 05:04 PM
  #5  
Bah Humbug
runner
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 16,416

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6047 Post(s)
Liked 1,663 Times in 889 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Yup, that was my first thought, too.
In funny timing though, minutes after I wrote that I saw that a Spesh LBS owner over on WW has an SL7 and set the new wheels up tubeless. Maybe there's something there. Even so, the lack of clarity doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 05:07 PM
  #6  
surak
Senior Member
 
surak's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,074

Bikes: Specialized Roubaix, Canyon Inflite AL SLX, Priority Continuum Onyx, Santana Vision, Kent Dual-Drive Tandem

Mentioned: 17 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 432 Post(s)
Liked 215 Times in 122 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
In funny timing though, minutes after I wrote that I saw that a Spesh LBS owner over on WW has an SL7 and set the new wheels up tubeless. Maybe there's something there. Even so, the lack of clarity doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.
I soo want to joke that Spesh pulled an about face after Alaphilippe punctured 5 times at Milan San-Remo last Saturday, but he was probably running tubulars.
surak is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 05:08 PM
  #7  
Bah Humbug
runner
 
Bah Humbug's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Austin
Posts: 16,416

Bikes: S1, R2, P2

Mentioned: 115 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6047 Post(s)
Liked 1,663 Times in 889 Posts
I should add that that thread also had a bunch of people surprised that he set them up tubeless, so there is definitely confusion all over about this.
Bah Humbug is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 05:55 PM
  #8  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 30,648

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13594 Post(s)
Liked 2,871 Times in 1,537 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
In funny timing though, minutes after I wrote that I saw that a Spesh LBS owner over on WW has an SL7 and set the new wheels up tubeless. Maybe there's something there. Even so, the lack of clarity doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.
Yeah, I remember seeing the rim profile previously and thinking that it looked like a typical tubeless rim bed, but Specialized has said that they're not tubeless and that they don't have the material to support it. If that's truly the case, they may have to furlough some of their IP attack dog lawyers in favor of some litigation defense attorneys, 'cause people are going to try it.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 06:33 PM
  #9  
Dean V
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,629
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 933 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 122 Times in 80 Posts
Even if there is a difference it won't be "significant".
The only thing worth clarifying is if they are going to be tubeless compatible, if that is important to you.
Dean V is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 07:35 PM
  #10  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
So you're saying that this is a new wheelset that's arriving on the new Tarmacs but they're not the CL or CLX Rapide? Because they've been pretty adamant that those are tube-only and that making them tubeless would have required more rim material.
I did not say they are not CL Rapide- they look similar/same as original version and have those words on the side. Apparently they are a new version of the CL/CLX.

And, yes- he did say that at this point they are considered tube only. As I mention elsewhere in this thread, this brings up the issue of whether there will be tube and tubeless versions.

Last edited by kip.duff; 08-03-20 at 07:52 PM.
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 07:42 PM
  #11  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Sounds like a confused or bull****ting salesman.
"Confused" probably. And understandably so- he's got a lot goin on- and apparently getting to the bottom of this question would/will take serious research. Looks like this issue is quite confusing- and I see additional evidence of that in this thread. I did email Specialized/Roval with the same question I posted here. No response yet.
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 07:48 PM
  #12  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Yeah, I remember seeing the rim profile previously and thinking that it looked like a typical tubeless rim bed, but Specialized has said that they're not tubeless and that they don't have the material to support it. If that's truly the case, they may have to furlough some of their IP attack dog lawyers in favor of some litigation defense attorneys, 'cause people are going to try it.
I can't imagine them making separate tube and tubeless versions of this wheel... or? Isn't the demand for tubeless high enough that any new version of CL or CLX will need to be offered in a tubeless version?
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 07:55 PM
  #13  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Even if there is a difference it won't be "significant".
The only thing worth clarifying is if they are going to be tubeless compatible, if that is important to you.
Off-topic a little, but I've never had a tubeless setup. Any advantages in your mind to tubeless?
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-03-20, 08:32 PM
  #14  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 30,648

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13594 Post(s)
Liked 2,871 Times in 1,537 Posts
Originally Posted by kip.duff View Post
Any advantages in your mind to tubeless?
​​​​​​If you get flats regularly enough that changing tubes on the side of the road is a pain in your ass, that's the biggest (IMO) benefit to be had. If you're dedicated to chasing marginal gains, you might save a handful of watts, too. If neither of the above applies, I wouldn't bother.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 08-04-20, 06:13 AM
  #15  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 30,648

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13594 Post(s)
Liked 2,871 Times in 1,537 Posts
Originally Posted by kip.duff View Post
I can't imagine them making separate tube and tubeless versions of this wheel... or?
Which is exactly why I wouldn't count on them "certifying" them for tubeless after the fact.
WhyFi is offline  
Old 08-04-20, 11:27 AM
  #16  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Which is exactly why I wouldn't count on them "certifying" them for tubeless after the fact.
I heard they haven't completed the testing- it could happen when testing is done.
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-04-20, 01:40 PM
  #17  
bahula03
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 274
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 25 Times in 12 Posts
Lolwut. That makes sense to you? That Specialized would ship some wheels as tube-only, and then randomly switch to marketing them as tubeless compatible?

It seems like patience is an awful lot to ask for here, but a few weeks is probably going to make a big difference. The new SL7 Tarmac Pro is specced with Rapide CLs (not CL50s) that look to have different depths F/R, but the older CL50s are what's available standalone, where the new "asymmetrical" Rapide CLXs from the S-Works Tarmac are on their website as standalone wheels, with the "new" tag. Trying to put some logic to that- yeah, it seems like an updated CL50-tier wheelset is on the way, but if your shop puts in an order for the current CL50 part number...you're almost certainly getting CL50s.
bahula03 is offline  
Old 08-05-20, 12:22 PM
  #18  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by bahula03 View Post
Lolwut. That makes sense to you? That Specialized would ship some wheels as tube-only, and then randomly switch to marketing them as tubeless compatible?
I didn't say it made sense- I said someone at a Specialized/Roval dealer said they believed they would be certified for tubeless.

Originally Posted by bahula03 View Post
It seems like patience is an awful lot to ask for here, but a few weeks is probably going to make a big difference. The new SL7 Tarmac Pro is specced with Rapide CLs (not CL50s) that look to have different depths F/R, but the older CL50s are what's available standalone, where the new "asymmetrical" Rapide CLXs from the S-Works Tarmac are on their website as standalone wheels, with the "new" tag. Trying to put some logic to that- yeah, it seems like an updated CL50-tier wheelset is on the way, but if your shop puts in an order for the current CL50 part number...you're almost certainly getting CL50s.
Ya- based on your post, I found info on new asymmetric rims by searching "CLX Rapide". They clearly state that it is a tube type rim. And as you mentioned, not a trace of any info on the CL tier in the asymmetric version. But, as you mentioned, I'm pretty sure I did see asymmetric CLs on a Tarmac at LBS.

In some threads, they post that the new CLXs have decals on them: "tubeless ready"- said you can see the decals in some of the product images on Roval or Specialized sites. Did not find that myself. Quite a runaround!

Last edited by kip.duff; 08-05-20 at 12:44 PM.
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-05-20, 12:43 PM
  #19  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Though I'm not as expert as most of you, I think I see some wisdom to Roval's position. Maybe tubeless is not quite as cool as the market presents it. I've seen threads about severe difficulty in installing tubeless. And some photos of ridiculous dried up balls of sealant that were rumbling around inside the tire. And weight competition seems just about even.
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-05-20, 03:02 PM
  #20  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 30,648

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 338 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13594 Post(s)
Liked 2,871 Times in 1,537 Posts
Originally Posted by kip.duff View Post
I've seen threads about severe difficulty in installing tubeless.
That's because people are dumb and/or inexperienced.

Originally Posted by kip.duff View Post
And some photos of ridiculous dried up balls of sealant that were rumbling around inside the tire.
That's MTBs. I've never seen any worse than snake skin coating and cobwebs on road tires.
WhyFi is offline  
Likes For WhyFi:
Old 08-05-20, 07:37 PM
  #21  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Ya- I do 18-wheeler tubeless truck tires, including the *****y smaller 19.5" rim versions. I was wondering if this wasn't just someone that hadn't gotten the routine down yet.
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-05-20, 08:06 PM
  #22  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Weight Weenies have a 44 page thread on these new asymmetrics at

​​​​​​https://weightweenies.starbike.com/f...f=113&t=160445

Going thru it now. Should have seen it earlier.
kip.duff is offline  
Old 08-15-20, 10:26 PM
  #23  
kip.duff
Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 38
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Liked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
That's because people are dumb and/or inexperienced.



That's MTBs. I've never seen any worse than snake skin coating and cobwebs on road tires.
So I bought some Roval CL50s. Asymmetric CL50 Rapide not available- though the salesman originally thought they would be and they are on new Tarmacs. Maybe in a few months.

I Bought some Conti GP5000TL 28cs and some Specialized Rapide sealant. I used some Schwalbe Easy Fit tire lube and mounted the tubeless Contis without sealant. The mounting was very anticlimactic and used a plastic lever to do the last bead. You were right- I don't know what all the horror stories were about. Used some compressed air and got the "pop pop". Holding pressure well and I'm gonna try without sealant. 60ml in each tire amounts to a quarter pound!
kip.duff is offline  
Likes For kip.duff:
Old 08-15-20, 11:50 PM
  #24  
AlgarveCycling
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2020
Location: The Algarve, Portugal
Posts: 176

Bikes: Wilier Zero.6 (2019), Trek Madone SLR 6 (2020), KTM Scarp Sonic (2019)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 50 Post(s)
Liked 98 Times in 58 Posts
The Rapide CLX are currently top of my list after researching. I don't want tubeless on my road bikes anyway and so they really appeal: good aero plus light. It's my Madone I want to upgrade so the 'natural' route is XXX6 but while good wheels, heavier and slow to accelerate compared to the competition from some reviewers.
AlgarveCycling is offline  
Old 08-21-20, 12:06 AM
  #25  
ryan_rides
Senior Member
 
ryan_rides's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: South Florida
Posts: 237

Bikes: 2018 Aventon Cordoba 2021 Specialized Allez

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 128 Post(s)
Liked 22 Times in 17 Posts

ryan_rides is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.