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Just got off the phone with Mike Garcia...

Old 07-13-05, 11:35 AM
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Just got off the phone with Mike Garcia...

and my wheels will be shipping today, I can't wait until Monday when they hit the dock here at my work. DT RR1.1 rims, 28 holes in the front and 32 in the rear with SpeedCific hubs and bladed spokes.

This is gonna be great.
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congrats! Must give us a thorough review once the drool stops
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Same build I got!! I hope you like them as much as I like mine!! I've noticed my rear coming a little out of true on occasion, but nothing I can't handle. Besides that, I know I'm pushing weight limits with these things. I'm considering having another set built--not lightweights this time but aero...possibly using my old Deep V rims, but having the Speedcific hubs and bladed spokes built up. I'll have to get permission from the wife first though....

EDIT: I was under the impression they were closing for a week or two around this time? Nevermind, just checked the site and they're closing on the 15th through the 25th....
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Originally Posted by martin_j001
Same build I got!! I hope you like them as much as I like mine!! I've noticed my rear coming a little out of true on occasion, but nothing I can't handle.
It is possible to make stuff too light no matter how precise you are. The DT RR1.1 rims are pretty light. It doesn't have the "spoke saving" stiffness of something like a Deep V.

According to Jobst Brandt you are always better off getting the stiffness from the rim rather than the spokes. [Although according to Sapim their heavy duty spokes with 13 guage elbows are second only to the cx-ray in fatigue life.]

Check this out https://www.sapim.be/index.php?st=pro...il=fatiguetest (notice weight vs fatigue life in the graph)

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Originally Posted by 53-11_alltheway

According to Jobst Brandt you are always better off getting the stiffness from the rim rather than the spokes.

Very true, hence I'm back to thinking the Deep V's need to be my regular training wheels--at least the rear wheel. I'll be getting in touch with Mike again when he opens back up at the end of the month!! That will only be a few days away from my birthday--lets see the wife argue with that!!!

Here's my thoughts for now, what do you all think:
Deep V rims (32 hole)--not sure if I'll use my old rims or try and get new ones yet though
Speedcific hubs
XE 14 spokes
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Yea Alex said when I ordered that mine was the last set that would be built before the break but then they ran out of 28 hole black rims and then there was that pesky hurricane that went trough the area. I should have had my wheels by now but I understand that these things happen and every time there was going to be a delay they contacted me right away. That IMO is the best customer service possible.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Yea Alex said when I ordered that mine was the last set that would be built before the break but then they ran out of 28 hole black rims and then there was that pesky hurricane that went trough the area. I should have had my wheels by now but I understand that these things happen and every time there was going to be a delay they contacted me right away. That IMO is the best customer service possible.
Their cs certainly is great, and is only one of the reasons I'll be a return customer....
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Is there anyone out there with 2-3000 miles on a set of his rims? I'm curious how they last vs. the major labels.
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Originally Posted by martin_j001
Very true, hence I'm back to thinking the Deep V's need to be my regular training wheels--at least the rear wheel.
You should ask him if beefing up the spokes on the rear would help?

I think the spokes you had were 17 guage butted on non-drive side and 15 guage butted on drive side.

How about putting 15 guage butted spokes on the non-drive and those 14 guage spokes with 13 guage elbows on the drive side?

These are what I'm thinking for the drive spokes https://oddsandendos.safeshopper.com/20/86.htm?943
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I got the XE spokes on the rear wheel. 14g at the bend. It conceivably is a very strong wheel, but I guess I'm harder on wheels than I thought....

Nashville, I think blandin has had a set for a while, and I got some responses from others who sounded like they'd had theirs for a while when I posted about ordering/receiving mine....hopefullly they'll chip in.
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Here is a question for those in the know. I recently (2 weeks ago) had my LBS rebuild my rear on the Marin. The build is now a Salsa DelgagoX rim with a 105 hub and DT 14/15/14 spokes. Brass nipples and a 32 hole 3x lacing. So yesterday I noticed that the wheel was out of true and under closer inspection it has a spoke with no tension. I took it back and they said this happens from time to time. I know a new wheel may go out of true a bit but a spoke loose tension completely? I have less than 100 miles on this rebuilt wheel. Of course they are retruing it for free but what will the effect be of the spoke loosing all it's tension?
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
So yesterday I noticed that the wheel was out of true and under closer inspection it has a spoke with no tension.
Yeah that happened to me 3 times (spoke was completely loose/no tension at all) when I was using my performance machine built wheels out of the box. It's losing tension like that because the spoke threads are loosening from the nipple due to too much compression force.

If the spoke is at 100 kg of tension and it sees 150 kg of compression through the rim it will go slack for the time period that compression exceeds tension. During this time of "slackness" the spoke is suspectible to backing out of the nipple threads thus losing all tension. I think this usually happens little by little until it finally backs out all the way.

P.S. This is why people started using spoke prep (aka loctite) to prevent this from happening.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Here is a question for those in the know. I recently (2 weeks ago) had my LBS rebuild my rear on the Marin. The build is now a Salsa DelgagoX rim with a 105 hub and DT 14/15/14 spokes. Brass nipples and a 32 hole 3x lacing. So yesterday I noticed that the wheel was out of true and under closer inspection it has a spoke with no tension. I took it back and they said this happens from time to time. I know a new wheel may go out of true a bit but a spoke loose tension completely? I have less than 100 miles on this rebuilt wheel. Of course they are retruing it for free but what will the effect be of the spoke loosing all it's tension?
Wheels are part science/part magic anyway. I've had spokes loosen for no reason...after they were fixed, the wheels have stayed true for years...odd stuff
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I have the same wheels except 28 hole rear, about a 1000 miles on them and they are wonderful. I race and do fast training rides with the team on them and they have held up very well to my 6'2" 175 lbs. Mike has a great crash replacement guarantee which I unfortunately had to take him up on once.
They are a little more flexy than my Shimano R-540's but they are close to a pound lighter. I always notice an immediate, definite difference on the hills with the racing wheels as opposed to the R-540's.
Good choice!

Hey Nashville Man, who do you ride with?
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Just got my ship confirmation. Only thing that will keep me from having new wheels on Monday is FedEx ground. Man I hate FedEx ground
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When you order those wheels from Mike, does he build them for you according to your weight? Does your weight determing how many spokes, etc?
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Originally Posted by glassman
When you order those wheels from Mike, does he build them for you according to your weight? Does your weight determing how many spokes, etc?
THe only thing I don't like is the fact that he only has up to 32 hole rear hubs. Thinner spokes work great, but more on the rear is always better if you don't care about weight.

Besides 36 thin spokes doesn't weight that much anyway. The extra 4 spokes adds less than 20 grams of weight. If they were straight guage it would weigh something like 32 grams extra. [Rough estimates. I don't have a calculator in front of me]

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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
and my wheels will be shipping today, I can't wait until Monday when they hit the dock here at my work. DT RR1.1 rims, 28 holes in the front and 32 in the rear with SpeedCific hubs and bladed spokes.

This is gonna be great.

Didn't Mike Garcia pitch with the Cleveland Indians? Ted Williams said that he was one of the toughest pitchers he ever faced.
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I have almost 1000 miles on my Speedicific/Niobium30 build and haven't had any problems yet. I'm 130 lbs, so I went with the 20h front & 24h rear build. I commute on them, ride with the local club with them and just do general rides around town with them and they haven't come out of true yet. Admittedly, I'm not putting much stress on them at my weight but I'm quite pleased with them.
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Originally Posted by glassman
When you order those wheels from Mike, does he build them for you according to your weight? Does your weight determing how many spokes, etc?
If you order over the phone, he will definitely consult with you to find out what kinds of roads you ride on, your riding style, and your weight. Heavier riders should obviously choose 32 spokes, at least in the rear. Like 53 said, a 36 spoke rear would be a nice option for some to have though.
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