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Old 11-25-20, 09:19 PM
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We need to get you a power meter.
I know right!
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Today I rode with people on gravel bikes for the first time. Their loop was 42 miles with 6500 feet of climbing, just brutal. My friend and I turned back after 10 miles of climbing. They are are double century riders including a woman who had (has?) the record for the most doubles in California. 3 of us were on mountain bikes and 3 on cf gravel bikes and 1 on an e-bike. The gravel bikes are faster on the smooth climbs, for sure, but they bounce off loose rocks and plow a bit in soft sand.

They did seem to adjust to the rocks and got smoother as we went up. I was glad to have the mtb for the descent. I don't know if I would get a gravel bike after this, maybe more research is in order.
You have been a good addition to the thread and I like your posts, but I regret to inform you that you might be a slow learner.
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Roast duck and sundry sides are on the menu for tomorrow. Mrs. rjones28 is doing the day-before-prep, as we speak.

I'm in charge of the booze.
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Old 11-25-20, 10:02 PM
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In my experience LPLO has always remedied itself without human intervention. Kind of like a ghost . . . . . . it comes and then it goes.
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Old 11-25-20, 10:15 PM
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
You have been a good addition to the thread and I like your posts, but I regret to inform you that you might be a slow learner.
#GluttonForPunishment
Since we have miles of fire roads around here I have been thinking of a gravel bike since friends are doing it a little. I can use the mtb but a drop bar bike would make paved road sections easier.
The people today are clearly in a different league of endurance but it was good to see what they could do on those bikes. Hopefully they will post some pics of the area. Here is an old one of mine from up on a ridge.
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Old 11-25-20, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
You have been a good addition to the thread and I like your posts, but I regret to inform you that you might be a slow learner.
#GluttonForPunishment
Since we have miles of fire roads around here I have been thinking of a gravel bike since friends are doing it a little. I can use the mtb but a drop bar bike would make paved road sections easier.
The people today are clearly in a different league of endurance but it was good to see what they could do on those bikes. Hopefully they will post some pics of the area. Here is an old one of mine from up on a ridge.
There is a road near the switchbacks in the center of the pic that goes to the left, that's the road we started on. The place where the pic was taken from is about 8 or 9 miles from my house after a bunch of climbing.

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Old 11-25-20, 10:51 PM
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Here are a couple from today. Me on the left before the road gets rough.

Getting narrow.
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Me upper right.

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There are a few downed trees.


This guy had the smallest tires but he was the fastest on the climbs. Nice bike.
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Old 11-26-20, 04:26 AM
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What plugs into the Peavy?
A GSO I bought over 30 years ago and never was able to play well. I appreciate music but can’t make it, apparently.
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Happy Thanksgiving all.
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Old 11-26-20, 05:36 AM
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Oh, and for those who wonder why I hate socially-required gift-giving:

I finally got AG to be ok with donating the Roomba her mother bought us three homes ago. We don't use it (cleaning services are relatively cheap in Texas, and we've had houses that aren't conducive to using it) but we've lugged the damn thing - new in box! - for years because of guilt over "it's a gift". We appreciate the gesture but it was a total waste that just fed into the consume and discard cycle with no utility.
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Old 11-26-20, 06:11 AM
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Wow. How long do you keep it wrapped?

I'd be tempted to ride with the wrap. But more concerned of the possibility of passing out while riding!
Have to find out what’s wrong first. I know I have a T fracture of the thumb but may also have ligament damage.

You could not ride with this brace. No way to grip the bar.
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Old 11-26-20, 06:26 AM
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I think LPLO has something to do with the page auto-loading new posts after a quick reply; maybe some behavior after that if the loaded pages span to a new page, or a second new page. It just bit me after that last one and going back to 259; now I can hit 260 but not 261.

It definitely is a cache issue, which is why a different browser is unaffected. Flushing cache unlocks the pages. I will get to the bottom of this.
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Old 11-26-20, 06:27 AM
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In my experience LPLO has always remedied itself without human intervention. Kind of like a ghost . . . . . . it comes and then it goes.
To a web QA/ developer that is an unacceptable answer.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
Three mins on, one min off. I didn’t have a lot of time tonight and just wanted to see what it was like. Basically every ride I have done no matter if I think it’s hard or easy it seems my speed/ effort is alway the same. Trying to break that up. With that being said, I don’t seem to be able to judge what my “hard” effort is. Tonight I pushed it and my heart rate was higher than I ever remember before on a bike, and at the end of each three mins I was ready to stop. Probably went too hard.
Sounds anaerobic. Those should be min or less with about the same recovery. 3 min on/3 min off is about right for VO2max. Have you worked out your HR zones?
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
We need to get you a power meter.
This too.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Sounds anaerobic. Those should be min or less with about the same recovery. 3 min on/3 min off is about right for VO2max. Have you worked out your HR zones?

I don’t have a heart rate monitor either.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
I don’t have a heart rate monitor either.
You’re young and unlikely to hurt yourself, but I would get Joe Friel’s “The Cyclist’s Training Bible” and read it before doing much else.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
You’re young and unlikely to hurt yourself, but I would get Joe Friel’s “The Cyclist’s Training Bible” and read it before doing much else.

First time I am hearing of this book. What other secrets do you hold?
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
I don’t have a heart rate monitor either.
What are you using for a computer? An HRM is low-hanging fruit, if compatible. If not, Strava just brought back blue tooth compatibility with their phone app, but then you'd need to have a mount that makes the phone/display visible. Anyway, an HRM, the flat terrain in your area, and a little bit of knowledge should go a long way. ...but a power meter would be lovely.

Riding by perceived effort, but otherwise blind, is hard, 'specially if you don't have any previous experience with intervals with metrics. You've got to constantly reassess. I think that I mentioned previously that FTP-ish should be work, but not particularly hard work. Not at the start of the first interval, at least. "Could I hold this for an hour-ish?" is something that you should be asking yourself constantly. Early on in the first effort, the answer should be, "pfffft - of course." With the right effort, that nonchalance should change a few minutes in, though, and at 5-8 minutes, you should be in the area of "do I need to quit? No. Would it be nice to take a break? Yes."
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Update:

Ohio = dumb

Using a tablet = dumb
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Ohio = dumb

Using a tablet = dumb
Correct, with apologies to OCLV/Soloist/Specialized(?) Assassin.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
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Ohio = dumb

Using a tablet = dumb
The Buckeyes ARE 4 and 0 though.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
What are you using for a computer? An HRM is low-hanging fruit, if compatible. If not, Strava just brought back blue tooth compatibility with their phone app, but then you'd need to have a mount that makes the phone/display visible. Anyway, an HRM, the flat terrain in your area, and a little bit of knowledge should go a long way. ...but a power meter would be lovely.

Riding by perceived effort, but otherwise blind, is hard, 'specially if you don't have any previous experience with intervals with metrics. You've got to constantly reassess. I think that I mentioned previously that FTP-ish should be work, but not particularly hard work. Not at the start of the first interval, at least. "Could I hold this for an hour-ish?" is something that you should be asking yourself constantly. Early on in the first effort, the answer should be, "pfffft - of course." With the right effort, that nonchalance should change a few minutes in, though, and at 5-8 minutes, you should be in the area of "do I need to quit? No. Would it be nice to take a break? Yes."

I have the meilan cycling computer. Cheap and up until now gave me the information I cared about. Speed and cadence. It is blue tooth and I think Ant+, so theoretical it should work with any heart rate monitor.


The perceived effort is extremely hard for me to judge. I feel like I only have two settings. Borderline sprint or my usual comfort zone. I don’t have anything in between and can’t judge what I could hold for an hour ish. Last night the first interval I dialed it up and I remember thinking I can hold this for 5 mins or so. 60 seconds in I was sucking wind and was wondering how I would last another 120 seconds let alone a whole 5 mins.

When I plan on a 60 mile ride, my pace is relatively the same as a shorter ride, difference I don’t attack “climbs” and I might coast a descent. If it’s a 30 mile ride I’ll attack the “climb” and pedal through the descent but everything else is the same. A couple of times on shorter rides I have tried to go “hard”. but I end up burning myself out before I am done.

I need a power meter.
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