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Old 12-20-20, 09:13 AM
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On today’s fake ride, the route had us going up a painful long climb that culminated in Radio Tower which is steep and gravel, so extra effort/torque required. I stood up for leverage and felt a painful crack from my drivetrain. I had pulled the rear wheel out of the dropouts with my massive watts, although it was probably user error of horizontal dropouts and a slighly crooked rear wheel. I had to dismount and fix rear wheel which meant of course I lost the group. I worked hard and the group waited at the top for stragglers so it worked out ok anyway.

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What's the difference between civil twilight, nautical twilight, and astronomical twilight, BTW?

It's dark by civil twilight.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
What's the difference between civil twilight, nautical twilight, and astronomical twilight, BTW?

It's dark by civil twilight.
Are you in a forested area? If so, cut down all the trees and you'll see the light in civil twilight
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Still on DST?
Nope. Electricity.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Another reason why nominal miles are a poor metric of anything other than nominal distance covered. Ever notice much faster real miles on the flats are compared to hilly ones, Tidewater man?

No, generally I’m just consistently slow.
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Originally Posted by datlas
On today’s fake ride, the route had us going up a painful long climb that culminated in Radio Tower which is steep and gravel, so extra effort/torque required. I stood up for leverage and felt a painful crack from my drivetrain. I had pulled the rear wheel out of the dropouts with my massive watts, although it was probably user error of horizontal dropouts and a slighly crooked rear wheel. I had to dismount and fix rear wheel which meant of course I lost the group. I worked hard and the group waited at the top for stragglers so it worked out ok anyway.

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Your fake rides are intense.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
I'm with you. Hours and TSS
Hours are big. My absolute limit on distance is still my ass, especially on the trainer.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
No, generally I’m just consistently slow.
You’re faster than I am, in a horizontal sense.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
You’re faster than I am, in a horizontal sense.

your making me blush.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
You’re faster than I am, in a horizontal sense.
Ouch. Insult after insult.

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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Hours are big. My absolute limit on distance is still my ass, especially on the trainer.
On the trainer or the road, my ass is fine pretty much indefinitely, but my junk has gone back to being persnickety on the trainer; I need to do a tap test every so often to see if some numbness has crept in. Sometimes, I need to briefly stand and then be very particular about my perch upon the saddle.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Ouch. Insult after insult.

He might be just plain faster.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
On the trainer or the road, my ass is fine pretty much indefinitely, but my junk has gone back to being persnickety on the trainer; I need to do a tap test every so often to see if some numbness has crept in. Sometimes, I need to briefly stand and then be very particular about my perch upon the saddle.
Definitely an issue, but at my age...
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Can't believe I'm defending fake miles.
Good thing Humbug is on BF sabbatical or you two would have a nice row on your hands.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
Zwift has the mythical draft
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Not for those of us who use it in erg mode.
Just out of curiosity, what do you mean? I assume that a big portion of those that Zwift do so in erg mode and that elevation loss/gain and the draft still figured in to their speed calculation. I was under the impression that losing the draft in a Zwift race/ride was a huge impediment and that the draft greatly reduced the power requirement at a given speed, regardless of erg, ramp or even dumb trainer.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
Your fake rides are intense.
Indeed. Ever see Repo Man?

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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Just out of curiosity, what do you mean? I assume that a big portion of those that Zwift do so in erg mode and that elevation loss/gain and the draft still figured in to their speed calculation. I was under the impression that losing the draft in a Zwift race/ride was a huge impediment and that the draft greatly reduced the power requirement at a given speed, regardless of erg, ramp or even dumb trainer.
Grade, but no draft, in erg mode, AFAIK.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha

Can't believe I'm defending fake miles.
It's an upside down world.

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Originally Posted by datlas
They count for exercise or effort, no doubt. One can even argue they should count MORE than road miles since they are typically more boring and/or painful than real miles.

That said, for the annual pissing contest/mileage count I still think the rule should be that trainer miles should be excluded and/or a separate category. There is no perfect answer to this issue, however.
For the time being, I've decided to just do trainer workouts via my Garmin head unit. My rear wheel doesn't have a speed sensor and, without Sufferfest, Zwift or TrainerRoad doing the number-crunching, I get no credit for miles. Hours, joules and TSS, yes... but no miles. Sad!
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I am way behind at work on reviewing documents and lab results etc., trying to catch up but SOMEONE insists on sitting on my lap and distracting me.


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Originally Posted by rjones28
Nope. Electricity.
That's not "daylight."

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Nope. As one who has pushed the evening riding envelope many times, I can tell you you don't want to be out there more than 20 minutes after actual sunset.
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Originally Posted by datlas
There is no perfect answer to this issue, however.
The perfect answer is that it's a non-issue, except maybe with respect to the aforementioned pissing match. I have done indoor miles in the past but it was only a necessary evil to help stay in shape for the big rides on Saturdays. It wasn't fun or pleasurable and if not for the fear of losing the ability to do the road rides I would not do it
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I ride with a guy who is a data library. If I want to know about a segment, a ride, the wind, whatever, he's got it. "Well, today I climbed that hill 2 minutes faster than last month which was still 30 seconds slower than my fastest time from 2017". Or "Even though I am 5 pounds heavier than last year we still averaged 2mph faster on that loop".

All I know is how I feel and how I did against others, which is what matters to me. I'm feeling stronger and climbing better lately, probably better than I have climbed in a few years. I've never had a scientific approach to training or dieting, I'm just too much of a slacker.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I need to do a tap test every so often
Is that what you kids are calling it these days?
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
That's not "daylight."


Nope. As one who has pushed the evening riding envelope many times, I can tell you you don't want to be out there more than 20 minutes after actual sunset.
Twilight just means the sky ain't black (all the way across) anymore.
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Big news [not really] on the workshop front: after a 4 or 5 year hiatus, I picked up the pieces (literal and figurative) of my split-top hand tool work bench build. I completed all of the joinery (all mortise and tenon) and got it dry-fitted last night. I think that I'll drawbore and glue up the frame, but let gravity and the M&Ts keep the the top slabs in place. The slabs are ~4 feet long, with an equal overhang of a 4 inches or so on each side, but I'd really like to give it a 12+ inch overhang on the right side and install a tail vise, both of which should give me a lot more function and flexibility. Still deciding whether to do a leg vise or just move my existing, more conventional woodworker's vise...


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