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Old 10-10-20, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 69chevy View Post


Circa 1900.
There wasn't really color photography in 1900 afaik
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Old 10-10-20, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
There wasn't really color photography in 1900 afaik
Pretty sure there was. Just super expensive and difficult to do. Like this bike...
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Old 10-10-20, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
There wasn't really color photography in 1900 afaik
Maybe it was sold by Henry Ford. You can have any color you like as long as it's black.
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Old 10-10-20, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
There wasn't really color photography in 1900 afaik
Crude color photography can be argued to have existed as early as 1850, but it first started being sort of commercially viable in the late 1890s. It was definitely still very expensive, cumbersome, and rare in 1900, though.
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Old 10-10-20, 10:46 PM
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If you need to carry extra stuff on a road bike, this bag makes the most sense to me. I'd rather have it all mounted to the rear of the saddle then have extra weight on the bars where it may affect my steering. Also, its mounted going down the seatpost instead of straight out the back of the saddle like most bags.

https://www.topeak.com/global/de/pro...2-mondopack-xl

https://www.probikekit.com/cycling-a...B&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Old 10-11-20, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tyrion View Post
It's refreshing to get away from the racing mindset and focus solely on spending money.
Exactly! Consumerism at its finest.
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Old 10-11-20, 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by GlennR View Post
Audio Research, Thorens, Vandersteen and Janis in 1976.. .cost more than my new VW.


And it appears to have cost more than the cinder block furniture too.
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Old 10-11-20, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post
And it appears to have cost more than the cinder block furniture too.
Back in the 70's I had an "intoxicated" friend fall and bounce off the shelves... the record never skipped.

ROCK SOLID.... form follows function.

BTW, birch veneer plywood isn't cheap and more stable than solid wood.
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Old 10-11-20, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 69chevy View Post
I disagree better ideas are out there. Different ideas sure, but better is a stretch.

The chain driven bicycle is one of the few inventions that was nearly perfect from the beginning, yet we have believed we were buying substantial improvements every few years.


Circa 1900.
Pff, sif ye olde double diamond is the ideal design if you're using carbon. It was conceived for steel, and the only reason we've stuck with it is the goddamn UCI.

Might as well tell me there's nothing wrong with Shimano freehub splines in aluminium, lol

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Old 10-12-20, 06:48 AM
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Stopped in one of my local Spesh shops to pick up some gravel tires. They have four Aethos in stock. Did the lift test on a silver 58cm, ridiculously light.
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Old 10-12-20, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
Stopped in one of my local Spesh shops to pick up some gravel tires. They have four Aethos in stock. Did the lift test on a silver 58cm, ridiculously light.
Its already in stores? I thought the name was still under contention with the Patents office as of 5 or 6 weeks ago.
I figured that would delay the release a bit.
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Old 10-12-20, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Its already in stores? I thought the name was still under contention with the Patents office as of 5 or 6 weeks ago.
I figured that would delay the release a bit.
Yup! This shop usually gets new stuff pretty quick. They've had a steady flow of SL7s since the release and have had the Aethos in the shop for a few days.
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Old 10-12-20, 11:08 AM
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its a Rapha bike!
Cute, but wrong. This is a Rapha bike:
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Old 10-12-20, 11:38 AM
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In audio there are some scams which are presented as improvements, including speaker cables which use faulty physics to justify prices in the tens of thousands of dollars just for the cables. A classic example is dealing with increased resistance due to skin effect at higher audio frequencies. For a couple of meters of 8 gauge solid copper the resistance due to skin effect at 20 kHz goes from 0.008 Ohms at DC to 0.016 Ohms at 20 kHz. This is in series with the DC resistance of 4 Ohms for a typical Magnepan speaker. Thus, the high frequency attenuation due to skin effect is only 0.017 db if you calculate the skin depth multiplied by the circumference of solid 8 gauge copper wire. This calculation is good within a few percent of Bessel function ratios used to calculate t exactly. The attenuation is even less for stranded wire because stranded wire has less skin depth. There are other examples of bad physics in wildly "cost is no object" cables. Another example you might be familiar with is the WAVAC 833A SET stereo amplifier system costing $350.000. You can build one almost exactly like it for about $2000 with minimum knowledge of how to design the SET. I do not know whether the $350.000 one even gives you polypropylene power supply filter capacitors instead of the inferior electrolytic ones; many very expensive tube amplifiers do not.
The same is true of so many high dollar luxuries such as $12,000 bicycles. Steel is more reliable in the long run than carbon which saves a couple of pounds at great expense and there are certain to be less expensive bikes which are far more beautiful or can be made so by customizing or restoring them.
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I hope they only sell 5. $12.5k for a non-aero mutt with a click-bait weight thanks to some alpinist wheelset? For $12.5k, a "civilian" bike better come with a well-tuned engine.
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Old 10-12-20, 12:03 PM
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For that price I could by a custom fit Ti bike that would fit like a glove and last forever as well as a fully outfitted custom fit Ti touring bike that would also fit like a glove for when I simply pedal away from it all.
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Wow! Just Wow! That is a beautiful bicycle. But I need it to do this:
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post
A non-proprietary road bike for $12,500.00. Who are they trying to kid?

https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...alized-aethos/
IKR!??!?
I mean, if I'm dropping that coin on a bike, I want it extra special. That's why I got me the S-Works Tarmac
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Originally Posted by stuff shredman View Post
IKR!??!?
I mean, if I'm dropping that coin on a bike, I want it extra special. That's why I got me the S-Works Tarmac
Try not to spend your $200 savings all in one place.

People acting like a $12k bike is something new, almost every brand has halo bikes at that price point.
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Old 10-12-20, 12:59 PM
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Best bang for the buck is a Blu Ray video; the audio quality is off the charts. Nothing comes close.
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Old 10-12-20, 01:02 PM
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Two wheeled insanity!

Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post
A non-proprietary road bike for $12,500.00. Who are they trying to kid?

https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...alized-aethos/

Except for the weight, I don't see anything too fantastic about it at all. Couldn't the 18 pound version cost about $2,500?

I'm sorry. I really like road bikes - and I like them simple and non-proprietary, just like this - but this price is ridiculous.
And I thought the custom cruiser world was whacked out of belief! Ive seen $8K, $10K, $15K full custom show bikes that make this carbon fiber thing a joke. Even my prototype, 35mph. custom E-Cruiser was under $8K!

Insanity...
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Old 10-12-20, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Somnifac View Post
High-end audio is the perfect comparison. Both can be phenomenally expensive (audio more so), are full of snake oil, and the realm of marginal gains is a discussion in and of itself.

But, cool, if someone wants high-end audio, go for it. I have a pair of hand made 300B monoblocks because I wanted them, not because I think everyone needs tubes.
My experience with really high end audio has been in mastering studios (mastering MY music) where they had speakers that were in the $40,000 to $100,000 range...and I don't know how those speakers compare to say, $20,000 speakers, but I do: in the two studios I've used for that purpose, the sound was fantastic.
I own a pari of Paradigm studio 60 speakers, which I think are great ((can't remember what they cost, but it was under $2000), but they don't faintly compare (nor, of course, does my amp, etc).
In high end audio, it is totally possible to find overpricced things that don't sound good, but the state of the art can be awfully great...
On the other hand, studio 1's, $40,000 spearks did the job just as well as studio 2's more than twice expensive, but I have NO idea which actually sounded better, or how they were different (the use of each being several years apart). But with both the experience was: WOW! I've lived in this music, but I never heard all of it until then.
Mastering studios have much better speakers than recording studios.
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Originally Posted by Rides4Beer View Post
Try not to spend your $200 savings all in one place.

People acting like a $12k bike is something new, almost every brand has halo bikes at that price point.
hehe .. yeah, more than blew it on upgrades: Campy super record gruppo and ENVE bars and stem and soon to come Favero Assioma duo power meter pedals
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post
A non-proprietary road bike for $12,500.00. Who are they trying to kid?

https://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear...alized-aethos/

Except for the weight, I don't see anything too fantastic about it at all. Couldn't the 18 pound version cost about $2,500?

I'm sorry. I really like road bikes - and I like them simple and non-proprietary, just like this - but this price is ridiculous.
im with you Doc. Nice bike, but about 10-11k too high for me.
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Originally Posted by Doctor Morbius View Post
A non-proprietary road bike for $12,500.00. Who are they trying to kid?
Except for the weight, I don't see anything too fantastic about it at all. Couldn't the 18 pound version cost about $2,500?
Yeah well, it is a halo product build precisely around the super low weight. If that's not your thing, why yes, Spesh does have heavier versions on sale for around $2500-3000.

Its an add-on, not a replacement to anything out there - so its existence does not hamper your or my purchase choices in any way whatsoever. Not sure what the big deal is.
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