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Originally Posted by tomato coupe (Post 21757497)

Okay, but here's a hypothetical question for you: Lance Armstrong is far more nefarious and awful than Danielson. If he wrote a book on training, would you say he lacks credibility because the validity of his ideas rests solely on his cycling accomplishments?

If Lance Armstrong wrote that book instead of Danielson, then yeah.

Why would anyone buy this book by Danielson? Because he was a famous American rider. Why was he a famous rider? Because he doped the hell out of himself, used the performance-enhancing benefits of said dope to put in substantial on-the-bike training, and then had success before getting popped (twice).

Not because he did core work.

I'll extend this argument to Chris Carmichael as well. Worse than both of them and built an empire off of the lie that he was training Armstrong.

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Originally Posted by phrantic09 (Post 21757561)

yah dude, didn’t you know?

Suffice to say, your performance up a hill, down a hill, on the flat, wherever, is not limited by your leg strength but by your aerobic conditioning.

Aerobic sport.

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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy (Post 21757536)

Bad position and/or a lack of substantial time in the desired position.

Newer riders complain about their butts hurting, too. No one recommends butt exercises. New stimuli can be uncomfortable. It's a given.

All the core strength, back strength, arm strength, leg strength any of the people on this board need (myself included), can be earned on the bike. Along with the substantially more vital aerobic conditioning.

If your goal is overall fitness/health/whatever, then have at it. But the propensity to assert that core strength exercises are some magic bullet for on the bike performance is misplaced.

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Originally Posted by Carbonfiberboy (Post 21757536)

It's easy to say that core is not an issue if one is young (say under 50) and has been riding consistently for many years. If core is not an issue, then why do so many riders complain about sore backs? Danielson's book was of course not written by Danielson, rather by his strength trainer. People do have strength trainers. I don't know if that makes it more or less valid, which depends on one's preconceived notions of what does and doesn't work. IME strength training works when done in a compatible fashion to one's main sport.

Strength training works for any endurance sport. Google "elite marathon strength training", then "elite cycling strength training". There's also this for those interested: https://www.bikeforums.net/training-...e-athlete.html

There is a lot of natural deterioration of muscle tone and strength beginning around the 50's. It can be overcome with simple exercises (like the excellent suggestion of hanging from your arms every day which I got from you) but the point is, after a certain age, you can no longer take for granted that certain muscles will remain toned and useful without additional work.

Just look at a typical teenager. They can live off sodas, candy, and fast food, look great, and still be fairly athletic without hardly ever training. Try eating like that in your 40's or 50's, with an occasional light workout, and see how your body reacts to that.

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Originally Posted by rubiksoval (Post 21757934)

:D But I do recommend butt exercises, specifically riding one's bike consistently for short periods. Nothing to do with new stimuli, but rather oxygen deprivation in the compressed tissues. Like our muscles, those tissues also adapt to stress.

I first heard of core strength in the 1970s and it was core strength for cycling. No, this is not a new fashionable concept. It has been around.

Look at how cyclists are built. Please do not look at some new gym rat who landed a pro contract for responding well to the doping program. Look at Greg Lemond, Francesco Moser, Eddy Merckx. They are built like tree trunks. They have no waist. Even at 3-5% bod fat, no waist. Some core strength there.