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TT position on group rides

Old 11-30-20, 06:35 PM
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TT position on group rides

I'm aware that aerobars are often banned on group rides.

I don't use aerobar but I cruise mostly in TT position with my **forearms** (typo pointed out by tomato coupe) rested on the ramps and holding the hoods at the top of the brake lever (you can't press the brake lever in that position unless you slide your fingers down). It's the most comfortable / rested position for me, not to mention, fast and efficient. However, is it allowed in group rides? Allowed for the lead rider?

I don't have issues braking with the position since you can quickly slide your fingers down to grab the brake levers. Although it's still not as quick as normally holding the hoods with the fingers already on the brake levers.

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Old 11-30-20, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
However, is it allowed in group rides? Allowed for the lead rider?
You'll have to ask the UCI.
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Around here, I don't think anyone would have an issue with it if you were on the front or off the back. Anywhere in the group, and you should be able to cover your brakes.
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Old 11-30-20, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
However, is it allowed in group rides? Allowed for the lead rider?
You realize there is no universal set of rules for group rides, don't you? Some groups I ride with have no problem with someone with aerobars; others get nervous if people ride on the tops away from the brakes. Why don't you ask the people you want to ride with?
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How is it possible to rest your elbows on the bars and grab the hoods? That would require really short arms or really long bars.
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Old 11-30-20, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
You realize there is no universal set of rules for group rides, don't you? Some groups I ride with have no problem with someone with aerobars; others get nervous if people ride on the tops away from the brakes. Why don't you ask the people you want to ride with?
There is no way I would participate in any group ride where some of the riders are using aerobars.
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
There is no way I would participate in any group ride where some of the riders are using aerobars.
How will we survive?
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
There is no way I would participate in any group ride where some of the riders are using aerobars.
I'd be hesitant it if I didn't know the person. But I have no issue with it if I know that it's a cyclist I can trust. As long as they're not getting in aero when they shouldn't, there's nothing particularly sketchy about it.
Strong time trialists with inadequate group experience can create trouble when they hop in with a fast pack, but the issue is the rider, not the bike.
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Old 11-30-20, 08:16 PM
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Thanks everyone! caloso I guess I can simply stay in the hoods when I'm in the middle. A bit less comfortable but manageable, just need to alternate drops and hoods.
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Old 11-30-20, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post
How is it possible to rest your elbows on the bars and grab the hoods? That would require really short arms or really long bars.
Lol, typo! Corrected now.

Should be forearms, not elbows!

The hoods in my setup is angled lower than average to extend the reach of the hoods a little bit. Most of the forearms is unsupported so you still need to have good core strength and if possible, light upperbody weight to be comfortable in the position for long periods.


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Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
You'll have to ask the UCI.
You're not supposed to and I've swapped my TT saddle to a regular road saddle!
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The entire point of riding in a group is to create a draft that everyone in the group can take advantage. To that end extreme TT positions and aerotucks are not really needed to go fast.

Whatever your position, as long as you aren’t squirrelly and a nice smooth rider that cranks out a consistent speed and rides in a straight line you should be OK.
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Originally Posted by billridesbikes View Post
The entire point of riding in a group is to create a draft that everyone in the group can take advantage. To that end extreme TT positions and aerotucks are not really needed to go fast.
Being able to drop into aerobars on the front can massively improve the speed of a group.

Even in the draft it makes quite a bit of difference, but that can be dangerous if the group isn't well-coordinated and exhibiting good judgement.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
Lol, typo! Corrected now.

Should be forearms, not elbows!

The hoods in my setup is angled lower than average to extend the reach of the hoods a little bit. Most of the forearms is unsupported so you still need to have good core strength and if possible, light upperbody weight to be comfortable in the position for long periods.


Anyone else think of "Timtak" when they saw that photo?
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Old 12-01-20, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Anyone else think of "Timtak" when they saw that photo?
Literally the first thing that came to mind.
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Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
You realize there is no universal set of rules for group rides, don't you?
That is not true. Our group ride has a "no big farts" rule when in front.
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Originally Posted by asgelle View Post
You realize there is no universal set of rules for group rides, don't you? Some groups I ride with have no problem with someone with aerobars; others get nervous if people ride on the tops away from the brakes. Why don't you ask the people you want to ride with?
Ding ding ding!

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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug View Post
Literally the first thing that came to mind.
1a: Tiktak
1b:
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Originally Posted by Dean V View Post
Anyone else think of "Timtak" when they saw that photo?
You are on the right track.
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Originally Posted by HTupolev View Post

but that can be dangerous
That’s why won’t ride in a group where guys are using TT bars.
Too often they’re triathletes with the group riding skills of a squirrel on cocaine.
I like to have epidermis not be spread all over fresh chip-seal.
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Originally Posted by cubewheels View Post
Lol, typo! Corrected now.

Should be forearms, not elbows!

The hoods in my setup is angled lower than average to extend the reach of the hoods a little bit. Most of the forearms is unsupported so you still need to have good core strength and if possible, light upperbody weight to be comfortable in the position for long periods.



If someone showed up to my group ride on that bike, I'd have several concerns.
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Old 12-01-20, 10:49 AM
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Why don't you actually go and do a group ride first?

All your questions will be immediately answered.
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Old 12-01-20, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by billridesbikes View Post
That’s why won’t ride in a group where guys are using TT bars.
Too often they’re triathletes with the group riding skills of a squirrel on cocaine.
What if it's a rider who you know is smooth, experienced in a group, and has good judgement?
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