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Dumbest new product of the year

Old 07-14-05, 09:03 PM
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Dumbest new product of the year

One thing springs to mind - if you need a seatpost with 45mm of setback......MAYBE, um, your seat angle is too steep?



Just a thought.
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Old 07-14-05, 09:05 PM
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its all about personal preference
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Old 07-14-05, 09:06 PM
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Maybe he is using a smaller frame for stiffness or lightness?
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Old 07-14-05, 09:12 PM
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If by personal preference you mean "I'm sorry, we only make 5 sizes and you ain't getting a full custom carbon frame at 100k a pop for tooling, so go find a seatpost with 45mm of offset" then I guess....um.....
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Old 07-14-05, 09:29 PM
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Yeah....that is a hell of a lot of setback. Anything steeper than 5% and he'll be doing wheelies!
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If it makes the bike more comfortable to the rider, I do not think its a bad ideal. I found this new item on performance that is a good idea, if you want to leave yours shoes off and ride with regular shoes.

https://www.performancebike.com/shop/...egory_ID=5245#
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wow, hahha, that looks like a bent chode.
 
Old 07-14-05, 09:53 PM
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Better get back to the dorms, Chad! It's nearly, like, curfew!
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Originally Posted by Thylacine
One thing springs to mind - if you need a seatpost with 45mm of setback......MAYBE, um, your seat angle is too steep?
Um maybe someone who has been riding long and hard enough to be in the Tour de France has a good idea as to what works for him?
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Old 07-15-05, 01:27 AM
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I knew a guy once. He had teeth. He ate a lot. He ate long and hard enough to to in a hotdog eating contest where he ate more hotdogs than anyone else. However, one would not let him opperate on your teeth, for he was not a dentist.
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That is a lot of seatback. THe extra 3cms would over a 1.5 cm setback post would cancel out almost 4 degrees of seat tube angle in my case.

I guess If I ever wanted to ride a frame with a 77 degree seat tube angle....lol....that would be the ticket.

Or maybe you are an elderly person or someone with really weak arms and you want to
have a really cushy seat position while running small cranks.

Thylacine, why are you bagging on innovative products like this for folks with atrophied arms?

P.S. Judging by all the "nose up saddles" I see (indication of improperly fitted bike. Nothing good can come from rotating pelvis upward unless you like to ride like Pee Wee Herman) something like this is a better alternative. F**** Everyone I don't care.

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Originally Posted by jitteringjr
Um maybe someone who has been riding long and hard enough to be in the Tour de France has a good idea as to what works for him?
no kidding.

but he can bash 75% of the products on the market--as he repeatedly has done--because he is omniscient and is able to produce the finest bicycles in all the land: thylacine cyclines *cue ooh'ing and ahh'ing*
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Originally Posted by Thylacine
I knew a guy once. He had teeth. He ate a lot. He ate long and hard enough to to in a hotdog eating contest where he ate more hotdogs than anyone else. However, one would not let him opperate on your teeth, for he was not a dentist.
Great analogy, however it doesn't apply here. That is like your dentist telling you that you are not in pain, while you scream in agony. Only the rider knows how it feels to him.
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Old 07-15-05, 05:55 AM
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apparently the post was requested by some of ritchey's sponsored riders, so they developed it.. it will be available in 2006.. here's the full story

https://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2005.../saunier-scott
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Not just the set back but the seat is just about all the way back on the rails as well.

And on another point well hmm not I can start looking at the Scott again...I had written it off as my next bike due to the steep seat tube angle.
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looks like it has been working for the guy though! If im not mistaken chris did a great job!
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That's called "full italian" when you ride like that...
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Originally Posted by zensuit
That's called "full italian" when you ride like that...
Yeah, not a bad way to ride if you are climbing or doing endurance rides. The position happens to be the exact opposite of a Track Bike's position.

It's good to have products that allow a lot of adjustability. We be in worse shape if all seatposts were 1.5 cm set-back.

Good thing the world has straight clamp to 4.5cm set-back posts.
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Originally Posted by BeeTL
I was thinking that would be an ideal position for a steep descent.
Agreed....I think it would too.

Although Forward positioning is not as bad as you think if the "center of gravity" of the frame is also forward (like a Track bike).

I think the worst case scenario would be forward position on a bike that's meant to have a center of gravity more to rear because the rear would get too light (especially under braking)
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The bontrager "hamonic noise dampening" handlebar inserts belong on any of these lists. Please someone chime in and tell me that the work very well, but I just don't think they could do much of anything.
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this is obviously a sprinter's bike trick..you gain 45mm to the finish line by shifting the bike forward..genius!
 
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Originally Posted by DocRay
this is obviously a sprinter's bike trick..you gain 45mm to the finish line by shifting the bike forward..genius!
Hmm, that makes some sense. I like it.
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Docs think alike.
 
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wouldn't slacking the seattube lengthen the chainstays?
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