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Somewhat gravelly 700x28c tires

Old 12-11-20, 05:07 PM
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Somewhat gravelly 700x28c tires

I have only one bike, a Van Rysel/Decathlon RCR 920, with 25 Mavic Yksion tires. For next year (I'm not riding much in the winter) I'd like to go to 28 tires (the max possible on this bike) on the Mavic Cosmic Elite UST Alloy wheels (17mm internal) with Ultegra rim brakes. I don't hate those tires, but they certainly don't do anything to dampen road noise, and I'm looking for something more comfortable. Secondly, I'd also like the new tires to have more grip on stretches of gravel road (usually not particularly rough), as I slipped in a corner on my last ride and broke my derailleur hanger. Still, I'm 75 percent on tarmac, so they should be reasonable fast on the road (as well as reasonably puncture resistant). Best I could think of is Gravelking SS Plus or SK, both of which seem to come in 700x28 (though only with inner tubes, but I'm not going to add tubeless to my priorities). Or RH Chinook Pass 700x28? Or maybe Continental Grand Prix Four Season might work for these purposes? Or something else entirely?

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Old 12-11-20, 06:20 PM
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Generally I find that the better rolling tires give a better ride..... everything else being equal, pressure, width, etc. Your Mavic's I'm guessing are the Yksion Elites. Bicycle Rolling Resistiance shows them as have more rolling resistance than anything I've rode in six or more years. So you might try a Continental GP 4000 or GP 5000. Or Vittoria's have been nice riding tires too. I'm sure others are out there but I've not used anything else that is still being manufactured. Bike closet has some good prices on them, but not sure if in the 28 mm you want.

Mentioning BRR will likely bring a few scoffers out, but their methods at least give a sense of where the tires fall in terms of rolling better than another. Whether that is what you actually get or not who knows. After all, your road surface isn't my road surface and certainly neither is like their test drum they use at BRR.

Never found a tire... noisy, other than more PSI means things on a bike get bounced and rattle more. But if you say they are noisy, I'll take your word for it.
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Realistically, I don't think that you're going to see a meaningful difference in loose surface grip within these parameters, but...

Vittoria Corsa Control?
Schwalbe G-One Speeds are a personal favorite of mine, but those are 30mm and may not fit, unless your current 28s are particularly oversized.

Both of the above are tubeless ready, though Mavic only wants you to use UST tubeless tires on their rims.
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Originally Posted by hplhpl View Post
Best I could think of is Gravelking SS Plus or SK
I don't like the way SK's corner on pavement - SS is much better in that area (but I use much fatter versions, 50mm and 43mm - it's possible my cornering experience doesn't apply to the 28mm). The SKs have significantly more traction on dirt, but if you're 75% on tarmac I'd recommend the SS's. I have the SS+ now, but I kind of wish I got the regular SS. I imagine the regular SS to be slightly more supple.
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
Never found a tire... noisy, other than more PSI means things on a bike get bounced and rattle more. But if you say they are noisy, I'll take your word for it.
Apologies - I meant to say that I'm feeling road surface issues very directly, not that the tires themselves generated noise. As for GP5000, Vittoria Corsa, etc - I was looking at those, until I had my bike slide away under me in that corner, and decided I needed something a little more adapted to varying terrain. But if, as WhyFi says, the GKs would make little difference in this sort of situation, then perhaps I should go back to looking at more straightforward road tires again...

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Old 12-12-20, 05:38 AM
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I run Pirelli Cinturato Velos on my winter bike. Good combination of puncture protection and rolling resistance, and they handle light off-road well (and once I accidentally ended up on some woodland trails and while it wasn't ideal, they coped surprisingly well). They are tubeless ready as well.
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As much as I love my Rene Herse Chinook Pass tires, they do have one drawback and that is puncture resistance. It is a trade off I am willing to accept since the it does everything else exceptionally well.On my 25 mm internal rims they do measure out to 30 mm, so make sure you have room.

Whyfi makes a good point on Mavic's tubeless compatibility tires that should be used. If this is the case Chinook Pass are not tubeless tires and it limits your choices.

Iride01 suggested Continental 5000 but you would have to go with the TL version which I hear is a good choice.
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I just realized that my Mavic Cosmic Elite cannot be UST, as it came with an inner tube. I clearly know less about my tires than I thought...
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Originally Posted by hplhpl View Post
I just realized that my Mavic Cosmic Elite cannot be UST, as it came with an inner tube. I clearly know less about my tires than I thought...
UST isn't tubeless only - you can run tubes and non-tubeless tires, no problem - it's just that Mavic doesn't recommend running tubeless other than with UST tires.
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These:
https://www.thebikesmiths.com/collec...12924455845922

Looks like they are sold out of blackwall, though that would be temporary.

The SKs would be out due to your 75% tarmac use. I haven't looked at the GK Plus versions, but the "plus" versions of most tires are heavier, stiffer, and more flat resistant. Which is fine if you need it. I run many sets of GK slicks (file tread, no plus) and have no issues with flats on tarmac or mild trails. Nice road tires.
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Just to add another 2¢. Don't buy tires for riding conditions you will only occasionally be in. Buy them for what you'll be riding the majority of the time.

Slipping in a turn can be many different causes than just the tire. Too much or too little PSI for the conditions. Too much braking on the rear and it momentarily locks up. Sand, tiny loose gravel on the surface. Lately on my routes layers of pine straw and layers of oak leaves cause me more caution going down twisty turns that are fun when the road surface is clean.
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
Slipping in a turn can be many different causes than just the tire. Too much or too little PSI for the conditions. Too much braking on the rear and it momentarily locks up. Sand, tiny loose gravel on the surface. Lately on my routes layers of pine straw and layers of oak leaves cause me more caution going down twisty turns that are fun when the road surface is clean.
Yup. With loose surfaces, a larger contact patch or knobbies that get down to more firm ground can help quite a bit, but you're not really going to meaningfully improve either of those when moving from one 28mm to another, so it's going to largely come back to bike handling and riding that's appropriate to the conditions.
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