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True. It's only really 'Long Slow Distance' in running, where the term was originally coined, because in running you can't coast.
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Ask 99 people what they think LSD stands for (in a training context) and they're not going to say steady, though yes, I completely agree with that particular concept (but certainly not that a block of training should consist solely of that).
In periodization (which most anyone talking about "base" is actually referring to), it is general fitness.
An aerobic "base" is something built on years of work. It's not something you do in the winter time that magically goes away over the course of a season only to be rebuilt the following year. Hence, fitness progression and the ability to tolerate higher workloads each successive year.
It's also the reason why people who have trained and raced for years can regain and maintain fitness much more quickly and easily compared to those that haven't.
I can take six months off, ride for a week, and ride with any group ride in the area (and drop most people). Not because I had one week of "base training", but because I have a 15 year base that provides a large amount of residual ability.
In periodization (which most anyone talking about "base" is actually referring to), it is general fitness.
An aerobic "base" is something built on years of work. It's not something you do in the winter time that magically goes away over the course of a season only to be rebuilt the following year. Hence, fitness progression and the ability to tolerate higher workloads each successive year.
It's also the reason why people who have trained and raced for years can regain and maintain fitness much more quickly and easily compared to those that haven't.
I can take six months off, ride for a week, and ride with any group ride in the area (and drop most people). Not because I had one week of "base training", but because I have a 15 year base that provides a large amount of residual ability.
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True. Sorry, i wasnt clear with my point - I meant to say that this long Z2 ride is an example of the sort of ride that is meant by LSD/volume in traditional base. It's not riding for 3-4 hours *averaging* middle/low Z2 but with 1+ hours in Z1/coasting. That isnt very efficient from a training point of view - although there is a lot to be said for the fun aspects of a social group ride.
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That, I can easily believe. I know when I head out thinking I'm going to do a Z1-2 ride I often find myself chasing other riders, or pushing to stay ahead, or just charging up a rise for the sheer fun of it and then I get home and find I've spent 30% of the ride in Z3. And doing a couple structured 'Sweet Spot' workouts on the trainer showed my just how much harder I SHOULD have been going on some rides I intended to be tempo/threshold rides.
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I first heard about the concept from a coach who spent time working with with Charlie Walsh back in the late 80’s so yes it had been around awhile. It is information that could be useful to some and not for others. Dylan does seem to be a credible source. At the very least, his opinions looked to be backed up with data.
Here's a good study of various training plans which he's featured: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3912323/
Plan C is the polarized one, but as rubik has mentioned above, it is fairly high volume, an 11 hr./week plan. No SS training. I think most experienced riders under 65 could keep up with it. I have a 66 y.o. riding buddy who's taking advantage of Covid time to ride 250 miles/week in hilly terrain. He's going to be a monster this summer. Won't be riding with him this year.
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I would say that is not uncommon when in a coaching capacity. His needs and goals may not be the same as his riders and require different approaches. I can’t remember who, but there was somebody encouraging some zone 2 riding even in a low volume plan. The thinking was that there are important adaptations that only occur at the lower intensity. I believe one example was your body’s ability to learn to use more fat as fuel was one example that was used.
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This video looks at the question of low intensity early season training more directly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsXh...ature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsXh...ature=youtu.be