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Old 02-23-21, 08:31 AM
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I've gained about 7 pounds back over the last month and a half so even my dismal 2.4 w/kg on Intervals is inflated
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Originally Posted by abshipp
I've gained about 7 pounds back over the last month and a half so even my dismal 2.4 w/kg on Intervals is inflated
Given how late in the season you got your PM, you probably haven't put in the max efforts. You may be pleasantly surprised when you go out there and try to blow chunks. With the default settings, I believe the algorithm looks at everything over 180 seconds.
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Originally Posted by rjones28
What about at 90F?
Not palm trees. The other two are undefined.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Given how late in the season you got your PM, you probably haven't put in the max efforts. You may be pleasantly surprised when you go out there and try to blow chunks. With the default settings, I believe the algorithm looks at everything over 180 seconds.
Yeah, the vast majority of power data is from the trainer so that will be interesting to see what happens when I start riding outside more.

Looks like we have rain in the forecast for early next week - hopefully the county won't put anymore salt down so the roads can get cleaned off and I can start riding the power meter bike outside again.
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Originally Posted by abshipp
Yeah, the vast majority of power data is from the trainer so that will be interesting to see what happens when I start riding outside more.

Looks like we have rain in the forecast for early next week - hopefully the county won't put anymore salt down so the roads can get cleaned off and I can start riding the power meter bike outside again.
My figures look miserable in light of the trainer-only power data for the last few months. I really haven't done any sprints or any all-out efforts longer than 3 min in that period of time, so my eFTP just keeps withering away I've been thinking that I should do some vomitous trainer efforts just to bump those numbers, but a) hurts and b) what if I try and fail to bump them?!
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
Not palm trees. The other two are undefined.
So, "no" to all three then.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
My figures look miserable in light of the trainer-only power data for the last few months. I really haven't done any sprints or any all-out efforts longer than 3 min in that period of time, so my eFTP just keeps withering away I've been thinking that I should do some vomitous trainer efforts just to bump those numbers, but a) hurts and b) what if I can't bump them?!
I simply don't have the short-duration power to hang with the crit packs in my Zwiftpower category, but I've been doing some pretty frisky group rides and some ITTs, which are fairly motivating, especially with the right music. My consensus estimated indoor FTP from Zwiftpower and Intervals has come up about 15 W since the Fall, some of which may be getting used to the trainer, but it's still at least 5% lower than what I'm guessing outdoor power is. We'll see...
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
My figures look miserable in light of the trainer-only power data for the last few months. I really haven't done any sprints or any all-out efforts longer than 3 min in that period of time, so my eFTP just keeps withering away I've been thinking that I should do some vomitous trainer efforts just to bump those numbers, but a) hurts and b) what if I try and fail to bump them?!
Now is the time to **** or get off the pot. If I don't have my base in the bank by now, I did it wrong. Everything is starting to ramp up, including weights. Not volume, but max.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
I simply don't have the short-duration power to hang with the crit packs in my Zwiftpower category, but I've been doing some pretty frisky group rides and some ITTs, which are fairly motivating, especially with the right music. My consensus estimated indoor FTP from Zwiftpower and Intervals has come up about 15 W since the Fall, some of which may be getting used to the trainer, but it's still at least 5% lower than what I'm guessing outdoor power is. We'll see...
Trainer power is weird. I certainly can't hit peaks like I can outside - just having the bike bolted in place under me assures that - but in some ways it's easier for me to lock in to sustained efforts. While it's not exactly hilly in my area, it's not pan flat, and there's always enough undulations that I need to shift, shift, shift to stay where I want to be in terms of torque. That's annoying and it ends up being an over/under session more than anything.
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Originally Posted by LAJ
Now is the time to **** or get off the pot. If I don't have my base in the bank by now, I did it wrong. Everything is starting to ramp up, including weights. Not volume, but max.
Sir, yes sir!

(I need a whip-cracker in my training life! )
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Sir, yes sir!

(I need a whip-cracker in my training life! )
Indeed.

Sending that file can be awesome or humbling.
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Hi, I would like to buy a Bianchi (I am undecided between a Via Nirone or Impulso). I would like to understand what's the best size for me. my Height is 6'1 "

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I found a new series for the trainer, too. Line of Duty shows good promise.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I was reading some RChung posts and he mentioned some early days discussions and w/kg calculations by someone now considered to be an authoritative voice on training (I don't recall who). My takeaway was that the guy had concluded that ~4w/kg is a pretty hard ceiling for the non-genetically gifted.
@90kg, that would mean 360 for me.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Sir, yes sir!

(I need a whip-cracker in my training life! )
Given where you live, the amount of nutrition in your environment, and your earnest pretensions to fitness, I can't believe you haven't jumped on the smart trainer bandwagon yet!
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
some ITTs, which are fairly motivating, especially with the right music.
What's the right music for you?
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Originally Posted by phrantic09
I'd need to get to 310, which is probably a stretch.
Based on the Zwift Ramp Test, mine is allegedly 290, but I can't manage the workouts like SST at the wattages that yields. I can do it if I set FTP to 260, so I'm thinking 260 is the more accurate number.
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What's the right music for you?
Rock/R&B, soul, classic salsa, cumbia, morna, samba, afro-pop, etc: anything non-cheesy, played by real people on real instruments, and uptempo with a driving beat.
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You guys are going to give me a complex. My last FTP was 185.
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How long are you comfortable standing?
Hours, if I'm moving around some. The thing is, I don't have anything to do at a desk, so I wouldn't be there long in any case Out in the wood shop I'm on my feet for six hours sometimes.
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Van #2 is running like a top now. After being convinced one of the vacuum lines was leaking, turned out it was a sticking PCV valve.

That engine still sounds like it's wheezing but it's not throwing lean codes anymore

Now I need to make a list of parts van #1 needs, after a couple years of being parts van, so I can get it rolling, then fly down on some 3-day weekend and drive it up north after filling it full of remaining bikes and other crap.
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Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
You guys are going to give me a complex. My last FTP was 185.
Yeah, but I'm 94kg.
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Currently waiting on 4 packages to finish the Cannondale. And the USPS tracking hasn't updated on 3 of them for at least a couple days.....
Our daughter went to Fed Ex to send our new debit cards down. She was rejected out of hand. Merida, a city of one million, and the state capitol, is currently not on their radar.
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Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
You guys are going to give me a complex. My last FTP was 185.
That's about what Zwift estimates mine to be. You are NOT alone!
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Originally Posted by seedsbelize
Our daughter went to Fed Ex to send our new debit cards down. She was rejected out of hand. Merida, a city of one million, and the state capitol, is currently not on their radar.
Boy, that sucks. Was there when I was a teen. Interesting town.
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