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Old 02-11-21, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Why do Pro teams that have the money not even bother to change wheels now, and just change bikes.
Which do you think is faster?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe View Post

Even in the races that offer neutral support, the time to remove and install a wheel is minor compared to the time it takes to actually get the wheel.


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Then youíre not doing it right. Ride your flatted tubular until thereís a lull, signal the wheel truck that you need a wheel, and you can be changed and chasing back on quickly. 15 second delay getting the disc to set in correctly when youíre panicked and rushing and or getting the thru axle to start threading can be the difference in a dnf and winning the race.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
Which do you think is faster?

With a disc wheel thru axle setup it’s totally faster to swap a whole bike. Hence Pro teams that can carry a backup bike set up for their Gc guys do that. They didn’t feel the need with Qr because it was as fast as a bike swap. My whole friggin point is we amateurs play in a world without those resources, and our equipment choices should be be made accordingly.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Then youíre not doing it right. Ride your flatted tubular until thereís a lull, signal the wheel truck that you need a wheel, and you can be changed and chasing back on quickly. 15 second delay getting the disc to set in correctly when youíre panicked and rushing and or getting the thru axle to start threading can be the difference in a dnf and winning the race.
I, like the majority of amateur racers, do not use tubulars.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
With a disc wheel thru axle setup itís totally faster to swap a whole bike. Hence Pro teams that can carry a backup bike set up for their Gc guys do that. They didnít feel the need with Qr because it was as fast as a bike swap. My whole friggin point is we amateurs p,any in a world without those resources, and our equipment choices should be be made accordingly.
A bike swap is faster than a wheel swap, with rim or disc brakes.

How many times have you lost a race by a few seconds, due to a flat?
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My whole point in this thread is that the Pros play by different rules, and have different resources. Thus Pros racing disc brake bicycles doesn’t mean that we amateurs should do so as well.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh View Post
Are you being purposefully obtuse?

My whole point in this thread is that the Pros play by different rules, and have different resources. Thus Pros racing disc brake bicycles doesnít mean that we amateurs should do so as well.
I'm once again pointing out that we aren't "pros" , and that what works for them, is often irrelevant to the rest of us.

I couldn't possibly care less about Froome's opinion. We don't ride together.
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I’m out. I grant that I’m arguing against a rising tide. Discs are the future and my point is largely consigned to history. Nonetheless, none of you have actually contradicted anything I’ve said. I think your need to validate your choices, or just win an argument has limited your ability to consider what I’ve actually said. Building straw men up, and tearing them down doesn’t change my point.

so whether UCI regs accelerated the switch to discs or not ultimately is at best an historical footnote. Sorry all of you were too close minded to even hear or consider what I said.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post

I couldn't possibly care less about Froome's opinion. We don't ride together.
This is the correct answer. Truthfully I donít care what anybody rides disc or rim.
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Originally Posted by noodle soup View Post
How many times have you lost a race by a few seconds, due to a flat?
Apparently, it's worse than that. A few seconds is the difference between winning a race and a DNF.

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Old 02-11-21, 08:31 PM
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Apparently, it's worse than that. A few seconds is the difference between winning a race and a DNF.
I'm curious. What post did you make that got me hot and bothered?

(edit) It's Saul Goodman.
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Old 02-11-21, 08:33 PM
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Another disc vs rim brake thread.

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And now dude is sending angsty PMs?
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Old 02-11-21, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Another disc vs rim brake thread.

And I thought faculty members were able to rehash and continue pointless arguments with little hope for resolution. This is impressive.

A colleague of mine likes to paraphrase Kissinger who said something to the effect that faculty disputes are so intense because the stakes are so often so low. I've thought about that in reading this thread.
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And I thought faculty members were able to rehash and continue pointless arguments with little hope for resolution. This is impressive.

A colleague of mine likes to paraphrase Kissinger who said something to the effect that faculty disputes are so intense because the stakes are so often so low. I've thought about that in reading this thread.
Cycling is my escape from that nonsense. Isn't it yours, too? 😊

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And now dude is sending angsty PMs?
I thought I was special because I got one.
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Chris Froome is a professional. I am not. Our limits and requirements are different. I am not advocating for disc or rim. I have both. It's not a big deal for me as a recreational rider.
This first reply to the OP is all that needed to be said.
The next 6 pages is typical BF ranting.
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This first reply to the OP is all that needed to be said.
The next 6 pages is typical BF ranting.
And your point is........?
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Couldn't care less what Froomie thinks about disc brakes. I like 'em!
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And your point is........?
Just an observation that the forum is running true to form
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One thing I've wondered, watching the TDF and the Giro last year is if the brakes don't increase the crash rate when descending and braking through corners. Bike tires don't really have that much contact with the road for the speeds and the cornering limits that racers hit. Toss in faster stopping and it would seem to make questionable situations sketchier and increase the chances of breaking traction and crashing.


I installed hydro disc on both my kids' bikes so they could stop better, custom ordered my cross with disc and made sure the new gravel frame only used disc. Don't own a single carbon rim and don't plan to, I just like consistent, reliable stopping in any conditions. I'm better that's true for a lot of people.


I installed new discs today, took me 20 min each between screaming kids to cut the lines, route them through the frame, bleed them and set the calipers. Probably close to twice the time road rim brakes would take but pad replacement on the discs is much faster. I push a screw driver between the old pads to compress the piston, pull off the cotter pin, undo the screw that holds them in, slide out the old, slide in the new, reinstall screw and pin, install wheel and squeeze the lever. Sounds like more work but calipers require aligning the pads, toeing them in, releasing the previously taken up cable with the barrel adjuster or the fixing bolt, recentering the caliper and adjusting the cable to the new pads. If the pads have spacers, conical washers or in the case of V-brakes lots of both, it gets tedious not dropping those putting the pad fixing bolt in place. Cantis can be the worst with the straddle cable and getting the pads the same settings on both sides. Considering discs can go years with no trouble, I like them.


I'm a little beyond chubby and will really push the braking on my bike in the woods, fade has yet to be an issue.


What is a lot contact point? Not certain I've seen this one. As I mentioned above, with hydraulics centering and bleeding is quick and easy. Centering with cable disc can be annoying, but a properly set up thru axle bike really doesn't have disc issues in my experience.
Hereís another opinion. Seems pretty smart. What do you think?
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Hereís another opinion. Seems pretty smart. What do you think?
https://youtu.be/aJK_d6onNjo
This video was previously discussed. It's not smart.
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On the weight thing, just thought I'd look, but I don't know if I'm comparing apples to apples?
I see a 2015 Emonda SLR H2 frameset here https://archive.trekbikes.com/uk/en/...ameset/details shows a weight of 690g.
I see the 2021 Emonda Rim frameset here https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...olorCode=black shows a weight of 1,170g.

Yes, I'm comparing two rim brake frames. How much of the closing of the weight gap of discs vs rim bikes is because the manufacturers might be unnecessarily making their rim braked bikes heavier than they could otherwise be? (minimizing mold/design changes vs. their disc counterparts?).
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On the weight thing, just thought I'd look, but I don't know if I'm comparing apples to apples?
I see a 2015 Emonda SLR H2 frameset here https://archive.trekbikes.com/uk/en/...ameset/details shows a weight of 690g.
I see the 2021 Emonda Rim frameset here https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...olorCode=black shows a weight of 1,170g.

Yes, I'm comparing two rim brake frames. How much of the closing of the weight gap of discs vs rim bikes is because the manufacturers might be unnecessarily making their rim braked bikes heavier than they could otherwise be? (minimizing mold/design changes vs. their disc counterparts?).
Not a chance in hell that the 2015 weight is including the fork and the 2021 model undoubtedly does.
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
On the weight thing, just thought I'd look, but I don't know if I'm comparing apples to apples?
I see a 2015 Emonda SLR H2 frameset here https://archive.trekbikes.com/uk/en/...ameset/details shows a weight of 690g.
I see the 2021 Emonda Rim frameset here https://www.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/b...olorCode=black shows a weight of 1,170g.

Yes, I'm comparing two rim brake frames. How much of the closing of the weight gap of discs vs rim bikes is because the manufacturers might be unnecessarily making their rim braked bikes heavier than they could otherwise be? (minimizing mold/design changes vs. their disc counterparts?).
You're suggesting TREK increased the weight of the Emonda rim brake frame by 70% so that the disc brake version doesn't look so bad? That's inane.
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