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COVID has increased price of carbon road bikes

Old 02-19-21, 12:01 PM
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Thanks for the update, I still don't want one.
Why not?
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Old 02-19-21, 02:34 PM
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And I would say most carbon road bikes are quite overpriced. Aero road carbon bikes.
In the past 10 months we have seen many posts complaining that such bikes are almost impossible to find. Which suggests that they’re actually underpriced.
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Old 02-19-21, 03:30 PM
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I really like this a lot better than not being able to find toilet paper.

Of course I already have a carbon road bike.
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If the vaccines get distributed as they plan and no truly vaccine resistant COVID variant surfaces, I expect we’re likely to see a flood of lightly used mid-priced bikes hit the market sometime around fall of 2022. So if you’re in the market for an R7000 equipped entry level carbon or aluminum, I’d keep a tab on my local craigslist...

This is just judging from the huge numbers of new, reasonably nice bikes out on NYC streets this past summer/fall. Lots of Domanes and Roubaix that will be looking for homes as city dwellers try to free up apartment space as life goes back to normal.
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I'm still seeing the term "clearance" hereabouts, but they have dropped the word sale, because there isn't any discount. Now it means clearing out the customers wallet.
Best of luck for 2022 bike industry.
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Old 02-19-21, 08:27 PM
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It’s hard to determine if Carbon priced bikes are overpriced as it’s an oranges and apples kind of comparison. Steel bikes are usually the cheapest option and by far the most economical to produce requiring low skilled labour, minimal tooling, low materials cost and mass production techniques. Look at any low end bicycle or what is ridden in the third world, steel bikes. Even in the high end custom market steel bikes are the cheapest option, many produced in small shops or garages like the blacksmiths of days gone by. Carbon bikes occupy a completely different segment of the market, high performance materials, expensive tooling requirements, skilled layup techniques and extensive computer modelling yet employing economies of scale to ensure affordability to the masses.

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Old 02-20-21, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged View Post
It’s hard to determine if Carbon priced bikes are overpriced as it’s an oranges and apples kind of comparison. Steel bikes are usually the cheapest option and by far the most economical to produce requiring low skilled labour, minimal tooling, low materials cost and mass production techniques. Look at any low end bicycle or what is ridden in the third world, steel bikes. Even in the high end custom market steel bikes are the cheapest option, many produced in small shops or garages like the blacksmiths of days gone by. Carbon bikes occupy a completely different segment of the market, high performance materials, expensive tooling requirements, skilled layup techniques and extensive computer modelling yet employing economies of scale to ensure affordability to the masses.
It's actually easy to determine if carbon bikes (or anything else sold in reasonably competitive markets) are overpriced.

When we start seeing posts about cf bikes sitting on dealers' floors for months at a time, and clearance pricing on last year's cf bikes, then we may conclude that they are overpriced. But as long as we keep seeing posts from people who can't find new bikes, and people who are waiting for months (or >1 year, as some have posted), then they are clearly NOT overpriced.

I think the problem here is that some posters are using the word "overpriced" in a subjective sense, as in "more than I want to pay." That renders the word virtually meaningless.
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Old 02-20-21, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post

I think the problem here is that some posters are using the word "overpriced" in a subjective sense, as in "more than I want to pay." That renders the word virtually meaningless.
Quite common ‘round these parts, pardner.
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Old 02-20-21, 01:26 PM
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Pricing discussions always tend to be subjective. "The price of gas is crazy." "Airline ticket prices are cheap right now." "Bitcoins are priced to sell." or whatever. It would I suppose make sense if within all conversations, everybody just always agreed that the cost of something is exactly as it should be.
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Old 02-20-21, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
Pricing discussions always tend to be subjective. "The price of gas is crazy." "Airline ticket prices are cheap right now." "Bitcoins are priced to sell." or whatever. It would I suppose make sense if within all conversations, everybody just always agreed that the cost of something is exactly as it should be.
I’m not sure what you mean, since the words “always“ and “tend“ seem to contradict one another. But I will note that my posts above, numbers 28 and 33, show a non-subjective explanation of new bike prices.
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Old 02-20-21, 01:47 PM
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Pricing discussions always tend to be subjective.
No, value is subjective.
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Old 02-21-21, 01:25 PM
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None of this market is normal. Its all squed due to the pandemic. If the bicycle manufacturers plan for this season based on what happened last year a lot of them will go out of business. Covid caused a lot of this to happen. As things return to normal a lot of this will be undone. Used bikes are going to flood the market with parts and complete bikes as people go back to work and won't have time for recreation. The demand will die off again and prices will come back down as demand wanes.
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Old 02-21-21, 06:18 PM
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A few things:
1. The Taiwan Dollar is at near historic highs. This adds about 15% before the bike even gets on the boat.
2. Shipping is screwed. Turnaround times for containers have become weeks, instead of days.
3. As a result, we are already being warned that carbon from Toray will become increasingly hard to get in the very near future.

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Old 02-21-21, 06:22 PM
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It's not always 'the man' out to get you.
The Carbon Man is a malicious fellow, though. He'll do you dirty, obv.
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Old 02-22-21, 11:52 AM
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If the vaccines get distributed as they plan and no truly vaccine resistant COVID variant surfaces, I expect we’re likely to see a flood of lightly used mid-priced bikes hit the market sometime around fall of 2022. So if you’re in the market for an R7000 equipped entry level carbon or aluminum, I’d keep a tab on my local craigslist...

This is just judging from the huge numbers of new, reasonably nice bikes out on NYC streets this past summer/fall. Lots of Domanes and Roubaix that will be looking for homes as city dwellers try to free up apartment space as life goes back to normal.
This scenario is my "hope" as well. Was considering a lower-end gravel bike before the pandemic started. I do not envision doing a lot of dirt riding, so nothing fancy. It appears that gravel is all the rage, so I am hoping those are precisely the bikes I hope get unloaded. Perhaps I will get a bigger place by Fall 2022.
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Talked to my LBS, who handles Cannondale, and they said they couldn't guarantee that they could get me anything, so if I could find something to go ahead and grab it. Took about three weeks of searching to find a SuperSix Evo in my size, bought it from a shop in Jersey and had it shipped down. The day I bought it, Cannondale raised the prices on all SuperSix models by $300, so it was good timing. Just the state of the market. There is still a big ripple effect in the supply chain, epspecially for components. I've heard that a lot of manufacturers have frames available, but no components to build them out.

Now that I have a solid road bike, and my gravel bike, I'm pretty much set. Stocking up on some consumable spares as I find them available, just to be safe.
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Originally Posted by aliasfox View Post
If the vaccines get distributed as they plan and no truly vaccine resistant COVID variant surfaces, I expect we’re likely to see a flood of lightly used mid-priced bikes hit the market sometime around fall of 2022. So if you’re in the market for an R7000 equipped entry level carbon or aluminum, I’d keep a tab on my local craigslist...

This is just judging from the huge numbers of new, reasonably nice bikes out on NYC streets this past summer/fall. Lots of Domanes and Roubaix that will be looking for homes as city dwellers try to free up apartment space as life goes back to normal.
Agreed! Once this pandemic comes to an end expect to se a lot of used 2020 bikes posted all over craigslist, offer up, facebook marketplace, and other online sites.
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Old 02-24-21, 05:11 PM
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cool, just another good reason for me to never buy a carbon fiber bicycle... thanks... LOL
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Old 02-27-21, 10:51 AM
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I never buy a complete bike. I buy frames and build them up with the parts I want. My latest Cinelli superstars would cost about $4300 each with force axs disc and Fulcrum racing 3 wheels would cost about $4300, with high level post,bars and saddle.
Exactly what I just did, but finding the components wasn't easy. Complete groupsets are almost impossible to find. Fortunately, I had a Shimano 11 spd chain on hand, because they seem to be on backorder everywhere, along with Ultegra mechanical front derailleurs. I ended up piecing together an Ultegra crankset, Di2 "upgrade" group, and a set of brakes. Really didn't want to go the Di2 route, but now that I have it, I'm glad I did.

One upside (I think) - when this whole pandemic thing is behind us, there will probably be a lot of really high quality, low mileage bikes on the market at good prices.
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Setting aside Covid-related supply chain disruptions and demand spiking, I personally don't understand why people are willing to pay $7,800 for an off-the-rack Tarmac with Ultegra Di2. I know people are will to pay that because you can't find one anywhere in stock. I don't get it.

Story time: in 1990 I built up a Tommasini with top end everything for a bit less than $2k, or about $4k in today's dollars. I spent a summer's worth of lawn mowing money on it. That bike was the fanciest bike you would see at any local crit, people used to come over to drool over my bike. Even at the Cat 2 level, most people were on ~$1K bikes. Now, i see entire groups with no one on less than a $5k bike. Shops in my area can't keep $12K+ bikes in stock. Things have changed in road cycling.
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Setting aside Covid-related supply chain disruptions and demand spiking, I personally don't understand why people are willing to pay $7,800 for an off-the-rack Tarmac with Ultegra Di2. I know people are will to pay that because you can't find one anywhere in stock. I don't get it.

Story time: in 1990 I built up a Tommasini with top end everything for a bit less than $2k, or about $4k in today's dollars. I spent a summer's worth of lawn mowing money on it. That bike was the fanciest bike you would see at any local crit, people used to come over to drool over my bike. Even at the Cat 2 level, most people were on ~$1K bikes. Now, i see entire groups with no one on less than a $5k bike. Shops in my area can't keep $12K+ bikes in stock. Things have changed in road cycling.
1. A new Di2 Tarmac will provide significantly higher performance than your 30 year old bike did.

2. Your inability to understand why people would spend so much money on a bike probably stems from your budget constraint versus theirs.
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Interesting that OP hasn't been back to poke this pile. IIRC, his position is bikes have gone downhill since early 90s Litespeed.
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IIRC, his position is bikes have gone downhill since his glory days
Fixed to reflect general retrogrouchism.
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1. A new Di2 Tarmac will provide significantly higher performance than your 30 year old bike did.
I don't understand this point. Of course modern bikes are better, just like modern computers, modern running shoes and modern cars are all better than offerings from the early nineties. Still, computers, sneakers and cars haven't seen anywhere near the price inflation that big name brand bikes have seen. Bikes are simply far more expensive these days, especially those from big popular brands like Specialized and Trek. Also, your point implies that we're paying purely for performance in paying these prices. No. You can get modern bikes for far less. For example, a Canyon Ultimate is far, far cheaper than a Tarmac but still one of the best bikes you can buy. Smaller brands like Ribble and Vitus make some great road bikes that are far less expensive. The Tarmac is a great bike, but you're paying for more than just performance for it.

2. Your inability to understand why people would spend so much money on a bike probably stems from your budget constraint versus theirs.
Ah, you think my comments are rooted in being a jealous broke guy. Er, no. I fully understand wanting to spend lots of money on bikes, I have done it myself on numerous occasions. A peek in my bike room would disprove your little theory.

My point is that if I were going to spend $12K on a bike, I would go to Firefly or Bishop and have them make something special. Spending that kind of cash opens up some very interesting possibilities. I wouldn't walk down to the local bike shop and buy a Tarmac that four other guys in my group already have and will be just another copy of last year's Tarmac in 2022. That's me, though.
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