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PeteHski 05-01-22 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by Miles2go (Post 22489660)
Sure, but I take all of the fastest training tires, pick the one with the best of the other aspects in my criteria. Some riders posting here don't have fast as their first priority, and that's my base point.

For example, you might recommend the Pirelli Cinturato, but this is a puncture resistance first tire, and no one in my regular club pacelines would be running them. Someone might rate the P Zero Race as having poor puncture resistance by comparison, but I wouldn't compare the two, and would only compare the tire to others in the same road race training category and weight range.

Okay so to put it another way, do any "fast" race tyres have "top tier puncture resistance"?

I'm sort of playing Devil's advocate here, but other than listing your top priority the rest are not very meaningful. The category of tyre quoted pretty much dictates the top priority anyway.

FWIW my top priority in a road tyre is grip level, especially in the wet. I am also willing to trade-off rolling resistance vs puncture protection to some degree.

Interestingly I've run both Pirelli Cinturato and P Zero Race tubeless and could hardly tell any difference in real world rolling resistance. But the former are definitely more puncture resistant! Both have very decent grip levels, while the P Zeros are a little more supple, but I gave up with them after getting a number of bad cuts that I'd never experienced on other tyres. Myabe I was just unlucky, but they seemed fragile. The Cinturatos appear to be bombproof and don't appear to have any adverse affect on my speed. I'm sure there is a small penalty, but it's completely lost in the noise of our rough local roads and turbulent weather. I'm also running the new Conti GP5000S TR on my Canyon and so far I've been really impressed with these. I was worried they might suffer the same fate as my P-Zeros, but they are holding up well just coming up to 1000 km. No cuts or punctures. Exceelent grip levels, reasonably supple (30 mm version).

kingston 05-02-22 07:34 AM

If there's a better place to post this question let me know, but what's the best plug for road tubeless? I was on a brevet last weekend with a guy running 25mm road tubeless. He got a puncture that we eventually fixed with a stans dart, but we had a heckuva time getting it in there, broke the first one trying. I could fit a 4mm allen in the puncture, so the hole seemed big enough, but getting that dart in there was definitely a two man job. He never would have gotten it in there if he was by himself.

WhyFi 05-02-22 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by kingston (Post 22491921)
If there's a better place to post this question let me know, but what's the best plug for road tubeless? I was on a brevet last weekend with a guy running 25mm road tubeless. He got a puncture that we eventually fixed with a stans dart, but we had a heckuva time getting it in there, broke the first one trying. I could fit a 4mm allen in the puncture, so the hole seemed big enough, but getting that dart in there was definitely a two man job. He never would have gotten it in there if he was by himself.

Stan's Darts seem big and more MTB focused, to me - I'm not surprised that they were tough to jam in.

A lot of people swear by the brass-tipped Dynaplugs; I've never used them myself, but I intend to pick some up this year.

I've only used the typical "bacon strips", but those might not want to stay put on a 25mm, assuming high-ish pressure. What I've done with bacon strips that worm out, because of the combination of puncture size and pressure, is to tie the strip in a knot and shove it in so that the knot is inside the carcass, helping to hold it in place. It can take a little elbow grease but, the only two times that I've had to do this, each lasted 2k+ miles/the remaining life of the tire.

PeteHski 05-02-22 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22491946)

A lot of people swear by the brass-tipped Dynaplugs; I've never used them myself, but I intend to pick some up this year.

Dyanplugs are excellent. They are available with a few different tip profiles too. But the standard conical ones work well and would easily plug a 4 mm hole. Any hole too small to push a Dynaplug through easily would self-seal with sealant anyway. That's been my personal experience anyway.

Miles2go 05-03-22 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by kingston (Post 22491921)
If there's a better place to post this question let me know, but what's the best plug for road tubeless? I was on a brevet last weekend with a guy running 25mm road tubeless. He got a puncture that we eventually fixed with a stans dart, but we had a heckuva time getting it in there, broke the first one trying. I could fit a 4mm allen in the puncture, so the hole seemed big enough, but getting that dart in there was definitely a two man job. He never would have gotten it in there if he was by himself.

Most of the reviews I've seen on Stans Darts mirror this experience, or turn out worse. I too carry Dynaplugs, though I haven't had to use one in the two years I've been riding with them. If I stop bringing them on rides, I'll no doubt end up needing them...so I carry the lightest racer version.

kingston 05-03-22 12:32 PM

Thanks for the replies. Sounds like dynaplug is the way to go. It was a rainy spring 200k with a lot of crap on the road so we had five flats across seven riders. I always run tubes on brevets, but I may throw a dynaplug in my bag in case I'm riding with someone who hasn't learned how to plug their tire yet.

WhyFi 05-03-22 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by kingston (Post 22493735)
Thanks for the replies. Sounds like dynaplug is the way to go. It was a rainy spring 200k with a lot of crap on the road so we had five flats across seven riders. I always run tubes on brevets, but I may throw a dynaplug in my bag in case I'm riding with someone who hasn't learned how to plug their tire yet.

Mighty nice of ya! If you do need to help someone out, make a point of having someone get a thumb on the puncture ASAP to hold in as much air as possible - it's easier to punch in a plug when there's pressure in the tire and it won't be as much work, if any, to top it off.

kingston 05-03-22 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22493827)
Mighty nice of ya!

Purely selfish motivation. Another 14g in my rando toolbag is nothing, and I'm the one who'll get stuck helping the new guy put a tube in a slimy tire. Eventually I'll get around to setting up a tubeless wheelset of my own so I'll need the plugs for myself anyway.

Miles2go 05-12-22 05:48 PM

Liking the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR tires, but I can tell you after a few hundred miles of A group style/speed riding, that they don't stay planted at the back, as well as the 5000TL did, during really hard braking. I rarely ever locked the back tire up with the Conti 5000TL, or Michelin Power (tubes) before going tubeless. It's not a deal breaker, but does have a lower threshold in that situation than what I came over to them from.

WhyFi 05-12-22 06:32 PM


Originally Posted by Miles2go (Post 22504487)
Liking the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR tires, but I can tell you after a few hundred miles of A group style/speed riding, that they don't stay planted at the back, as well as the 5000TL did, during really hard braking. I rarely ever locked the back tire up with the Conti 5000TL, or Michelin Power (tubes) before going tubeless. It's not a deal breaker, but does have a lower threshold in that situation than what I came over to them from.

Are you locking up the rear because they're being unweighted by the front braking? In the dry, the P-Zero Race are one of the grippiest tires I've ridden.

Sy Reene 05-13-22 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Miles2go (Post 22489310)
From that time, until just a few days ago, I only ran the Conti 5000TL. This tire served me very well, and a number of the stronger riders in our club use them. Unfortunately though, they are insanely difficult to mount on my wheels and it's this reason that I just switched to the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR.
The P Zero Race TLR is much more comfortable in the same size and at the same pressure. It also feels much more lively than the 5000TL.
!

Pirelli vs Conti -- same nominal size or same inflated size?

Miles2go 05-14-22 01:36 PM


Originally Posted by Sy Reene (Post 22505263)
Pirelli vs Conti -- same nominal size or same inflated size?

Same inflated size on my WTO 45s.

Miles2go 05-14-22 01:45 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22504521)
Are you locking up the rear because they're being unweighted by the front braking? In the dry, the P-Zero Race are one of the grippiest tires I've ridden.

Wouldn't have posted this if it wasn't apples to apples. I went through 4 sets of 5000TLs on the same bike, same size tire, same pressures, same riding style and same routes. You've put a lot of time in riding the 5000TL?
Also, weather here in Tucson pretty consistently dry.
I still have plenty of confidence in the P Zero Race TLR, and descended 7,000 feet (ave 33.8/max 42.8), on them yesterday....but I now take more care braking the rear wheel compared to all the miles I put before with the Contis.

WhyFi 05-14-22 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by Miles2go (Post 22506505)
Wouldn't have posted this if it wasn't apples to apples.

Apples-to-apple doesn't necessarily explain the "why?" Greater front traction could unload the rear which would make it more prone to breaking loose, which is why I was looking for clarification.


Originally Posted by Miles2go (Post 22506505)
You've put a lot of time in riding the 5000TL?

Nope, none - they're not compatible with my wheels current wheels, they have a rep for being a pain in the ass to mount and I found that the GP4kSII was way overhyped, so I was never terribly interested in them in the first place.

KJ43 05-14-22 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by kingston (Post 22493735)
Thanks for the replies. Sounds like dynaplug is the way to go. It was a rainy spring 200k with a lot of crap on the road so we had five flats across seven riders. I always run tubes on brevets, but I may throw a dynaplug in my bag in case I'm riding with someone who hasn't learned how to plug their tire yet.

Yup. I like the idea of the Dart, but in practice I haven't found it to really...work. The one time I got a fairly large puncture on my road tire I figured the dart would be perfect. I tried twice and both times the plug material broke off outside the tire even after reaming the hole. I tried pushing the plug material in with the barb from another tubeless patch kit I had but since the plug is so delicate it just kept tearing and I eventually just used regular bacon strips on that ride.

I got a hole in my tire today and I used a normal conical dynaplug which worked perfectly and got me home.

NoWhammies 05-15-22 09:25 AM

Just mounted a 28mm Michelin Power Road TLR on my rear wheel yesterday. Tyre mounted easier than I thought it would after reading some of the posts here on the forum. Still, I did grunt and groan a few times before finally getting the bead of the tyre onto the rim. The tyre seated 80% or so with a blast of air from the air canister attached to my pump. The remaining 20% of the tyre had to be seated with a combination of a) Orange Seal and b) pumping up the tyre with the floor pump.

I only managed a 30k ride (thank you rain showers!) but over first impressions are the tyre seemed nice. If the weather cooperates I plan on getting in a longer ride this week.

WhyFi 05-24-22 08:33 AM

I just caught wind of Michelin's new Power Cup TLRs, which are supposed to be their fastest tires (and possibly the fastest on the market). The Power Road TLRs are a great tire, so this has my interest piqued. Quick - someone buy them and report back! :p

robbyville 05-26-22 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22517951)
I just caught wind of Michelin's new Power Cup TLRs, which are supposed to be their fastest tires (and possibly the fastest on the market). The Power Road TLRs are a great tire, so this has my interest piqued. Quick - someone buy them and report back! :p

im about to pull the trigger on something and am willing to give them a try! Have you seen them anywhere?

WhyFi 05-26-22 07:11 AM


Originally Posted by robbyville (Post 22520507)
im about to pull the trigger on something and am willing to give them a try! Have you seen them anywhere?

I only looked briefly the other day, and saw them available at BikeInn - they were listed at an aggressive price and I've never heard of/done business with that site, so I had intended to look in to the site's legitimacy.

robbyville 05-29-22 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22520520)
I only looked briefly the other day, and saw them available at BikeInn - they were listed at an aggressive price and I've never heard of/done business with that site, so I had intended to look in to the site's legitimacy.

yeah not finding them anywhere other than that Bikeinn place with way to many spelling or grammatical errors to make them even mildly trustable lol.

My friend who owns local LBE mentioned that thereís a new Vitoria (not the really poor lasting corsa) coming out that shows promise

WhyFi 05-29-22 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by robbyville (Post 22524239)
My friend who owns local LBE mentioned that thereís a new Vitoria (not the really poor lasting corsa) coming out that shows promise

Very cool - they're the last major tire player without a road offering that's ETRTO hookless compliant, so they're due (and I'm interested :D).

phrantic09 05-30-22 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by WhyFi (Post 22520520)
I only looked briefly the other day, and saw them available at BikeInn - they were listed at an aggressive price and I've never heard of/done business with that site, so I had intended to look in to the site's legitimacy.

Iíve bought stuff there, couple of weeks to get your stuff stateside but good deals

Trsnrtr 05-30-22 10:32 AM

I have used Schwalbe Pro ones the most the last few years and been happy. Probably won't switch in the near future.

I just installed a 700-28 Pro One TLE on a Campy Bora WTO rim with bare hands and seated it with a floor pump. Didn't even have to use a compressor. After the tire "rests' for awhile, I'll put the sealant in.

TL tires have come a long way since my first attempts 5-6 years ago.

PeteHski 05-30-22 12:16 PM

I have to say I am very impressed with the latest Conti GP5000s TR. They came with my new Canyon in 30 mm width on DT Swiss carbon wheels (22 mm internal width). They seat and inflate very easily compared to the Pirellis I've been running on my other bike. Not sure if that is due to the tyre or rims or both. But these are the first road tubeless tyres I have been able to inflate first time with a regular track pump. I've got just over 1000 km on them so far, with no signs of cuts or wear despite some really rough roads. Grip and comfort are excellent too. Unless something bad happens I think these will be my default choice from now on - at least on this bike. I found the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR too fragile for my local use, but I still like the bombproof Cinturato Velos for winter training.

WhyFi 05-30-22 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by PeteHski (Post 22524972)
I have to say I am very impressed with the latest Conti GP5000s TR. They came with my new Canyon in 30 mm width on DT Swiss carbon wheels (22 mm internal width). They seat and inflate very easily compared to the Pirellis I've been running on my other bike. Not sure if that is due to the tyre or rims or both. But these are the first road tubeless tyres I have been able to inflate first time with a regular track pump. I've got just over 1000 km on them so far, with no signs of cuts or wear despite some really rough roads. Grip and comfort are excellent too. Unless something bad happens I think these will be my default choice from now on - at least on this bike. I found the Pirelli P Zero Race TLR too fragile for my local use, but I still like the bombproof Cinturato Velos for winter training.

I would guess that it's the rims - the Pirelli (well, the P-Zero Race TLR, at least) should have the same bead specs as the Conti S-TR. All of the tires of the same spec, that I've tried, have mounted mounted with only a floor pump.

Also, *knock on wood* my P-Zeros probably have ~1800 miles or so on them and they've been trouble-free. This is through the worst part of the year, as far as debris is concerned, too.


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