Thoughts from a Newbie After 50 Miles
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Originally Posted by solostyle
I've also heard that road bike shoes (with cleats) wear out pretty fast. I'm just not sure if I want to invest in this yet...
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Rather than start a new thread I thought I would continue my list of things I think I thought on my last ride...
Haven't ridden at all this past week. Between hypersomnia, uncluttering our house so we can sell it faster, and caring for my toddler (so my very sick and pregnant wife doesn't have to), I just haven't had the time... I decided to get out for awhile this afternoon and rode to my parents house. Some of you may remember that three weeks ago I could barely do 6 miles on a road... Today I did 8, on a road with lots of hills, and felt fine afterwards. In fact, I tried to get my dad to go out on a ride with me but they were meeting with a realtor and didn't have time. It's amazing how fast you can get into shape by riding a bike!
If anyone ever invents a RedNeck Olympics one of the charter events will most certainly bee "Cyclist Clipping"... My guess is each driver will be given a large pickup truck and 10 points. 1 point will be deducted for every 1/2 inch they are away from the cyclist. If they actually hit us with the truck they loose points, but a direct hit from a beer bottle, while the truck is moving, is worth an additional 5
Riding on a dirt road sucks... Riding on a dirt road with road slicks really sucks... Riding on a dirt road that hasn't been graded really really sucks... Being shoved to the side of said dirt road only to find a soft shoulder really really really sucks, as does the feeling of going over in your clipless pedals and knowing there's nothing you can do about it!
Chicks dig road rash.
Haven't ridden at all this past week. Between hypersomnia, uncluttering our house so we can sell it faster, and caring for my toddler (so my very sick and pregnant wife doesn't have to), I just haven't had the time... I decided to get out for awhile this afternoon and rode to my parents house. Some of you may remember that three weeks ago I could barely do 6 miles on a road... Today I did 8, on a road with lots of hills, and felt fine afterwards. In fact, I tried to get my dad to go out on a ride with me but they were meeting with a realtor and didn't have time. It's amazing how fast you can get into shape by riding a bike!
If anyone ever invents a RedNeck Olympics one of the charter events will most certainly bee "Cyclist Clipping"... My guess is each driver will be given a large pickup truck and 10 points. 1 point will be deducted for every 1/2 inch they are away from the cyclist. If they actually hit us with the truck they loose points, but a direct hit from a beer bottle, while the truck is moving, is worth an additional 5
Riding on a dirt road sucks... Riding on a dirt road with road slicks really sucks... Riding on a dirt road that hasn't been graded really really sucks... Being shoved to the side of said dirt road only to find a soft shoulder really really really sucks, as does the feeling of going over in your clipless pedals and knowing there's nothing you can do about it!
Chicks dig road rash.
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Originally Posted by Alex's dad
Good for you, Toefuzz. I have a two-year old son and whenever I want to go for a ride my wife always gives me heck for it because she is left alone with our son. I'm pretty new at the sport also and I'm totally addicted. I want to go riding every free minute I have, but according to my wife I don't have any free time anymore. Keep up the good work.
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Originally Posted by Toefuzz
...There's nothing more fun than using a person who has blown by you to help set a pace. Then when they keep looking back
you're always right there with 'em, until they pull off to take a break and you keep pedaling by. Of course they could be at
the 50 mile marker and resting, but it's not nearly as much fun to think that way.
you're always right there with 'em, until they pull off to take a break and you keep pedaling by. Of course they could be at
the 50 mile marker and resting, but it's not nearly as much fun to think that way.
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Grasshopper...you are quite wise for such a young fledgling of only 50 miles. Wise beyond your miles...
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Impressive.
One question: how are you calculating averages? Do you have a computer that does it for you, or do you just do a little math with time and distance? The reason why I'm wondering is if it's the latter, you're probably losing averages at stoplights, etc. (Or not, if you're blessed enough to not have stoplights.) If it's a computer, the stops can still kill your average speed rating. I was finishing up a 20-mile ride, averaging 18.0 mph. There was a killer downhill, and I bumped my speed up to 34 mph for about 15-20 seconds. My average stayed at 18...then promptly dropped 17.9 when I had to stop at a light about 10 seconds later. [I did get it back up to 18.1 on the final sprint, though. ]
I'm also a relative noob (I did an Olympic-distance triathlon last summer w/ a 24 mile bike ride, so I've had some experience on long rides). I bought a decent road bike this summer (complete with the "Live to ride" package that my co-worker teases me about: spandex, jersey, etc.). since early july I've put about 225 miles on it, and while I never considered myself as being in good shape, I can maintain a 20-21 mph pace on flats. Maybe my standard of fitness comparison shouldn't be D1 college athletes, but that's neither here nor there.
Anyways, long post short: glad you're getting into it, and I hope you get to go out and ride more. Just get that kid on his own bike ASAP.
One question: how are you calculating averages? Do you have a computer that does it for you, or do you just do a little math with time and distance? The reason why I'm wondering is if it's the latter, you're probably losing averages at stoplights, etc. (Or not, if you're blessed enough to not have stoplights.) If it's a computer, the stops can still kill your average speed rating. I was finishing up a 20-mile ride, averaging 18.0 mph. There was a killer downhill, and I bumped my speed up to 34 mph for about 15-20 seconds. My average stayed at 18...then promptly dropped 17.9 when I had to stop at a light about 10 seconds later. [I did get it back up to 18.1 on the final sprint, though. ]
I'm also a relative noob (I did an Olympic-distance triathlon last summer w/ a 24 mile bike ride, so I've had some experience on long rides). I bought a decent road bike this summer (complete with the "Live to ride" package that my co-worker teases me about: spandex, jersey, etc.). since early july I've put about 225 miles on it, and while I never considered myself as being in good shape, I can maintain a 20-21 mph pace on flats. Maybe my standard of fitness comparison shouldn't be D1 college athletes, but that's neither here nor there.
Anyways, long post short: glad you're getting into it, and I hope you get to go out and ride more. Just get that kid on his own bike ASAP.
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Thanks for the tips! Sounds like tons of fun. I have yet to get a bike, but i'm slowly learning about the world of cycling (at least the type that doesn't involve a motor )
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This is a great post Toefuzz...every once in a while we need to be reminded why we do this. I thank you. In fact I am off from work today and I am heading out on a 42 mi. round trip in Philadelphia....Philly to Valley Forge...I am stoked.
Thank you Toefuzz!!
Thank you Toefuzz!!
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Originally Posted by SquatchCO
One question: how are you calculating averages? Do you have a computer that does it for you, or do you just do a little math with time and distance?
Originally Posted by SquatchCO
Anyways, long post short: glad you're getting into it, and I hope you get to go out and ride more. Just get that kid on his own bike ASAP.
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Originally Posted by Alex's dad
Good for you, Toefuzz. I have a two-year old son and whenever I want to go for a ride my wife always gives me heck for it because she is left alone with our son. I'm pretty new at the sport also and I'm totally addicted. I want to go riding every free minute I have, but according to my wife I don't have any free time anymore. Keep up the good work.
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Originally Posted by burtonbiker
Dont give up.... if you don't have some time to ride then convince her you'll not be fun to be around - heck, you may not be around at all (MI, disease, mental disorders, etc). I have a pretty cool wife, three kids (7, 4& 4 - yes twins) and you have to stand your ground or these liberated women will spend 75% of the money and take at least 50% of the time.... real men unite against weak women of our day... ride your damn bike. I have friends whose wives had one kid and turned into a controlling slave-driver.... don't become a statistic.
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Unless you are going to be riding in an aero position or time trialing, I find that a Camelback or other hydration system is great when you don't have a cage on your bike. I can hold 50 oz of water in mine and it adds about a 1.5 inch hump on my back. It's not going to stay cold though.
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I've looked at getting a Camelback, but so far the cost has been prohibitive... My wife is a bit tentative about allowing me to spend more money after I just bought my bike. Plus, I need tools/shorts/etc and they take priority.
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Originally Posted by chance0128
Unless you are going to be riding in an aero position or time trialing, I find that a Camelback or other hydration system is great when you don't have a cage on your bike. I can hold 50 oz of water in mine and it adds about a 1.5 inch hump on my back. It's not going to stay cold though.
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Originally Posted by Toefuzz
I've looked at getting a Camelback, but so far the cost has been prohibitive... My wife is a bit tentative about allowing me to spend more money after I just bought my bike. Plus, I need tools/shorts/etc and they take priority.
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Originally Posted by recursive
Actually, I think it might help in an aero position, since it could potentially act as a fairing behind your head. I think Jan Ullrich or someone wanted to use one in a TT, and there was some controversy about whether it would give him an unfair advantage.
He was using the roadie-style low-profile Camelbak with no pockets.
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Congrats Toe,
I am a newb also. Just got my first road bike and started riding 3 weeks ago. I have been fortunate enough to get out regularly and have been consistently bumping up the mileage from week to week. I just rode my longest ride to date yesterday, 50mi. What a feeling that was. In the rain and I didn't care a bit. It just felt good to be out there riding and going longer than I have before. I am working my milage up for a century in Oct.
It's great that you love being on the bike so much. I know just how you feel. One thing I have noticed is that I am not killing myself on these rides. Base is the key. Keeping my heart rate in a reasonable range allows me to get back on the bike for my next ride feeling rested and ready to go. Try to keep building those miles slowly. It will pay off. I have noticed that my pace has increased on my longer rides even though my heart rate is as low or lower than it has been in my past rides. I'm getting more bike fit. I also try to spin at around a 90 to 95 cadence. Keeps my legs fresh and helps build the aerobic system. All the speed work later will build on that base.
Keep riding and keep us posted on your progress. This helps all us other newbies out there relate to the cycling growing pains.
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I am a newb also. Just got my first road bike and started riding 3 weeks ago. I have been fortunate enough to get out regularly and have been consistently bumping up the mileage from week to week. I just rode my longest ride to date yesterday, 50mi. What a feeling that was. In the rain and I didn't care a bit. It just felt good to be out there riding and going longer than I have before. I am working my milage up for a century in Oct.
It's great that you love being on the bike so much. I know just how you feel. One thing I have noticed is that I am not killing myself on these rides. Base is the key. Keeping my heart rate in a reasonable range allows me to get back on the bike for my next ride feeling rested and ready to go. Try to keep building those miles slowly. It will pay off. I have noticed that my pace has increased on my longer rides even though my heart rate is as low or lower than it has been in my past rides. I'm getting more bike fit. I also try to spin at around a 90 to 95 cadence. Keeps my legs fresh and helps build the aerobic system. All the speed work later will build on that base.
Keep riding and keep us posted on your progress. This helps all us other newbies out there relate to the cycling growing pains.
Trey
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Originally Posted by johnny99
When did this happen? Bobby Julich has used a Camelbak in the Tour de France TT at least a couple of times. Once he crashed out of the race and some people blamed the Camelbak for throwing off his center of balance.
He was using the roadie-style low-profile Camelbak with no pockets.
He was using the roadie-style low-profile Camelbak with no pockets.
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Originally Posted by solostyle
Here's another thing: My lower back's been hurting since I started riding. Have you had the same feeling, Toefuzz? There may be something awry with the way the bike fits (or doesn't fit).
Fore/Aft position of the saddle is also important, you can shorten your reach to the bars by moving the saddle forward slightly. If you have a laid back seat post (many road bikes do) this is definitely something to try.
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Originally Posted by Kev
I agree about the gloves, makes a world of difference. I have two track frames neither has water bottle mounts. I can't remember who makes them but there are water bottle adapter things that wrap around your tubes and have the screw holes to hold a water bottle. THere is also water bottle holders that attach to you're seat tube.
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Originally Posted by solostyle
the heels of my hands hurt.
My lower back's been hurting since I started riding
My lower back's been hurting since I started riding
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Very insightful post, Toefuzz. But I wanted to comment on this:
Working with another rider is great. I think I read that there's a 25% or 30% energy advantage by drafting. But when you do this, let the other rider know you're there. No need to make big deal of it, maybe just say "Hi. Mind if I sit on your wheel for a few?" And of course, offer to take your share of the pulls.
It's for safety and it's just good cycling etiquette.
Originally Posted by Toefuzz
Finding someone to ride with, even if it's unofficial (and by that I mean tagging along behind someone who's passed you) can
add 2 - 5 mph to your ride, easy.
There's nothing more fun than using a person who has blown by you to help set a pace. Then when they keep looking back
you're always right there with 'em, until they pull off to take a break and you keep pedaling by. Of course they could be at
the 50 mile marker and resting, but it's not nearly as much fun to think that way.
If anyone has anything to add I'd love to hear it... I'm sure I had more, but my forgetful nature makes it difficult to remember
add 2 - 5 mph to your ride, easy.
There's nothing more fun than using a person who has blown by you to help set a pace. Then when they keep looking back
you're always right there with 'em, until they pull off to take a break and you keep pedaling by. Of course they could be at
the 50 mile marker and resting, but it's not nearly as much fun to think that way.
If anyone has anything to add I'd love to hear it... I'm sure I had more, but my forgetful nature makes it difficult to remember
It's for safety and it's just good cycling etiquette.
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Originally Posted by caloso
Very insightful post, Toefuzz. But I wanted to comment on this:
Working with another rider is great. I think I read that there's a 25% or 30% energy advantage by drafting. But when you do this, let the other rider know you're there. No need to make big deal of it, maybe just say "Hi. Mind if I sit on your wheel for a few?" And of course, offer to take your share of the pulls.
It's for safety and it's just good cycling etiquette.
Working with another rider is great. I think I read that there's a 25% or 30% energy advantage by drafting. But when you do this, let the other rider know you're there. No need to make big deal of it, maybe just say "Hi. Mind if I sit on your wheel for a few?" And of course, offer to take your share of the pulls.
It's for safety and it's just good cycling etiquette.
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I just got my bike a few weeks ago and here are some things I've learned after my first couple hundred miles around West LA. More commuter oriented than the OP but hopefully still helpful.
- Pace Yourself - I find that I tend to sprint all the time if I don't pay attention. Especially because I ride in the city where there are tons of stoplights and stop-and-go riding. 20+ miles of sprinting is tiring and getting really haggard when riding in the city is dangerous.
- Sunblock - A sunburn on the back of the knees taught me this real quick
- Be agressive towards cars - It's better to get honked at for taking up a whole lane than to have people bombing past you as you avoid cracks in the gutter
- Drafting Cars - They do a great job of breaking wind for you. Just be careful because they can stop a whole lot faster than you can
- Foot Position on Pedal - I've found this makes a big difference in endurance and power (tradeoff). I've also found that my running shoes are starting to give me a "pinched sole" that I've read about. Time to get some cycling shoes, I guess.
- Lean forward - This makes you turn faster and is more aerodynamic.
- Use the front brake - that small rear tire *will* break lose if you depend on it and sliding is bad.
- Computer - I find that I am obsessively checking my total milage. I am constantly trying to get to the next big round number.
- Safety gear - Don't let vanity get in the way of your health.
- Explore - Getting lost is a great way to push yourself
- Downshift - At stops, be in a low gear so that you can accelerate off the line at a reasonable rate. Being sluggish can be dangerous
- Mountain bikes - I feel so bad for people who commute on them. So slow! They look like they are putting out so much effort as I gingerly whiz past them.
- Push your limits in safe places - Don't break 40mph for the first time on an unfamiliar or crowded road. I found that my frame can wobble if I don't put weight on the front fork.
- Riding partners are great - Two sets of eyes are better than one. My first night ride my gf saved my ass by pointing out a drunk driver who was coming up behind us swerving into the bicycle lane. I wish I had gotten their license number, but even if I had I am not sure the Police would act on it. Plus, partners are great motivators ("Oh hey, I know a neat resturant/cafe/whatever only 10 more miles away!")
- Don't put all your weight on your seat - I got real sore my first few days before I was told that a racing saddle isn't meant to support all your weight all the time. Now I ride with about 30% of my weight on my ass, the rest on my legs and arms. Much more comfortable, but I am still tempted to get a Brooks B17
- Ebay - Ebay and Craigslist have some great deals on bike stuff. Just don't go after stuff I want!