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Old 03-15-21, 03:46 PM
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Finally Speedplay PM

Its about time!! Cant wait...
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Old 03-15-21, 07:01 PM
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Nice! No real need for power meters, but stoked to see that Speedplay lives on. No updates on Speedplay website though.
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Old 03-16-21, 07:34 AM
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Looks like the new design may have addressed the complaints people had with speedplay. New pedal body to cleat redisgn, and needle bearings. They removed the grease ports completely as they say they will not need regular service. So no more wobble and no more maintenance.
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir View Post
Nice! No real need for power meters, but stoked to see that Speedplay lives on. No updates on Speedplay website though.
Wahoo has them for sale on their site: https://www.wahoofitness.com/devices/pedals/speedplay
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Old 03-16-21, 07:47 AM
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Yeah, DCR posted a video with his thoughts a little earlier -

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Wahoo has them for sale on their site: https://www.wahoofitness.com/devices/pedals/speedplay
Thanks for the heads up; www.speedplay.com now also automatically redirects to above link. Spindle length shorted by 2mm compared to my base Ultralight Action pedals.
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Old 03-17-21, 04:01 PM
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Looks like they did everything right. So much more simple. Left pedal has the word Wahoo oriented so you can read it when installed correctly. Only 2 type of cleats across the product line, which are also color coded. Had a great experience with wahoo customer service on my Tickr; they replaced an out of warranty unit for free. In the market for pedals now, probably will be the Chromoly version.

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I'd probably get the power meter pedals if they existed right now.
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Did I hear that they were going to be $999 per pair?
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Did I hear that they were going to be $999 per pair?
That's the speculation. No official word.
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I'd probably get the power meter pedals if they existed right now.
To quote PatentCad from back when that start-up that became Garmin Vector was peddling Speedplay power meter pedals: still vaporware
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Old 03-28-21, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir View Post
Nice! No real need for power meters, but stoked to see that Speedplay lives on. No updates on Speedplay website though.
Why do you say that? Both heart rate and perceived exertion have been proven to be significantly flawed metrics for training. What else do you use?
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Originally Posted by Doomrider74 View Post
Why do you say that? Both heart rate and perceived exertion have been proven to be significantly flawed metrics for training. What else do you use?
I am but a humble (and quite slow) recreational cyclist, cycling mainly for exercise. Although a power meter may provide useful data regarding my lack of power, I would probably derive more enjoyment by spending a similar sum on some other component to tinker with.
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir View Post
I am but a humble (and quite slow) recreational cyclist, cycling mainly for exercise. Although a power meter may provide useful data regarding my lack of power, I would probably derive more enjoyment by spending a similar sum on some other component to tinker with.
Which is fair enough, but your OP didn't personalize it: it came across as more of a blanket statement.
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Originally Posted by Doomrider74 View Post
Which is fair enough, but your OP didn't personalize it: it came across as more of a blanket statement.
Must have posted that after a roundabout theoretical discussion at work in which the passive voice was used throughout to avoid causing offence to any; I certainly had not meant that as a blanket statement applicable to all.
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Originally Posted by Doomrider74 View Post
Why do you say that? Both heart rate and perceived exertion have been proven to be significantly flawed metrics for training. What else do you use?
1. I took it as *he* doesn't have a real need for a power meter.

2. I wouldn't say "significantly flawed" at all. Training (especially training FTP) is one of the least demanding things you can do with a power meter. For training FTP you can absolutely do well without a power meter. There are other things that do require power data, but training FTP isn't really one of them.
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir View Post
Must have posted that after a roundabout theoretical discussion at work in which the passive voice was used throughout to avoid causing offence to any; I certainly had not meant that as a blanket statement applicable to all.
No biggie. I just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

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Originally Posted by RChung View Post
1. I took it as *he* doesn't have a real need for a power meter.

2. I wouldn't say "significantly flawed" at all. Training (especially training FTP) is one of the least demanding things you can do with a power meter. For training FTP you can absolutely do well without a power meter. There are other things that do require power data, but training FTP isn't really one of them.

Most of the standard FTP tests I've seen, including those on Zwift, require power meters. I know you can do it with heart rate, and I am familiar with them as well, but far too many outside factors affect heart rate for it to be a reliable metric. Plus, heart rate doesn't react fast enough to your effort to be useful for short intervals.
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No biggie. I just wanted to understand where you were coming from.

No biggie; I will remember to use pronouns on Bike Forums from now on.
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Originally Posted by Doomrider74 View Post
Most of the standard FTP tests I've seen, including those on Zwift, require power meters. I know you can do it with heart rate, and I am familiar with them as well, but far too many outside factors affect heart rate for it to be a reliable metric. Plus, heart rate doesn't react fast enough to your effort to be useful for short intervals.
Agreed. I wear a Scosche HR armband and it is really only for estimating overall effort and calories burned, not for instantaneous power or FTP over a shorter interval.
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Originally Posted by Doomrider74 View Post
Most of the standard FTP tests I've seen, including those on Zwift, require power meters. I know you can do it with heart rate, and I am familiar with them as well, but far too many outside factors affect heart rate for it to be a reliable metric. Plus, heart rate doesn't react fast enough to your effort to be useful for short intervals.
People trained successfully for about 150 years without super structured interval training. Highly structured training is the recent result of power meter availability, they're not the raison d'etre for power meters.

Training is one of the least demanding uses for a power meter. That's why riders can get along well with single-sided power meters -- accuracy and precision really don't matter much when all you're doing is using a power meter as if it were a HRM or stopwatch and speedometer. There are uses for power that do require accuracy and precision but training really isn't one of them.
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People trained successfully for about 150 years without super structured interval training. Highly structured training is the recent result of power meter availability, they're not the raison d'etre for power meters.

Training is one of the least demanding uses for a power meter. That's why riders can get along well with single-sided power meters -- accuracy and precision really don't matter much when all you're doing is using a power meter as if it were a HRM or stopwatch and speedometer. There are uses for power that do require accuracy and precision but training really isn't one of them.
Athletes also used to regularly take cocaine as a stimulant but it doesn't mean its a good idea. Training methods change, based on scientific studies.

If you're not concerned with the accuracy of a power meter then you're not using it right.
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Athletes also used to regularly take cocaine as a stimulant but it doesn't mean its a good idea. Training methods change, based on scientific studies.

If you're not concerned with the accuracy of a power meter then you're not using it right.

Please research who you're responding to before making such posts in the future. You'll be doing yourself and everyone else a very big favor.
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Originally Posted by Doomrider74 View Post
If you're not concerned with the accuracy of a power meter then you're not using it right.
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Old 03-28-21, 05:58 PM
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Go on then: what's the purpose of innacurate power data? What's the point of any inaccurate data, for that matter?
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