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Yet Another Shocking Revelation

Old 04-15-21, 09:19 AM
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Yet Another Shocking Revelation

On this morning's ride I hooked up with a couple of other guys for a few miles along the coast. During the ride, the lead rider shouts "glass" and since it happened quickly, and nobody wanted to swerve out into traffic lands, we all rolled through it. The lead guy missed most of it, but me and the guy behind me hit is square. He flatted, I didn't. The revelation?

A Conti GP 4 Season with air is faster than a Conti GP 5000 without. No damage to my tires. Could be just dumb luck, too.

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Old 04-15-21, 10:22 AM
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Sample of 2 speaks volumes?
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Uh, cool?

Like most things, tire choice is a compromise and we all have different priorities. You were happy with your compromise today - good for you. I'd be willing to bet that the guy that flatted is still happy with the compromise of his choosing, though he may have been momentarily upset.
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Originally Posted by CAT7RDR View Post
Sample of 2 speaks volumes?
Uh, just a little tongue in cheek humor. But, well, despite the small sample size I'm pretty sure that the GP 4 Season is more durable than the GP 5000.
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Old 04-15-21, 12:51 PM
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Maybe? I've also double flatted gator skins on a downhill, not sure what I hit just "pfft! Hiss". I never flatted a GP4ks2 on my front but I've flatted plenty with a 4 Season on the rear.
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If you had been riding a 5000 you wouldn’t need to wheelsuck?
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Here's my revelation. Get better riding mates that know how to look down the road and call out hazards before they become a problem
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I installed 2 new GP5000's. Maybe 100 miles each. One flatted one weekend, the other, the following weekend. Glass and one pinch flat hitting a hard object. I will give it that and the glass was all over the road. Hope I get better luck in the future but I'm starting to wonder if the protection is not what it was with the GP4000's. I had great luck with them.
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If you had been riding a 5000 you wouldn’t need to wheelsuck?
No, "wheelsuck" is my middle name. Besides, those guys were at least 15 years younger than me.
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Originally Posted by illdrag0n View Post
Here's my revelation. Get better riding mates that know how to look down the road and call out hazards before they become a problem
we didn't know each other. I started solo and we hooked up mid-ride. Also, given the specifics of the situation it couldn't have happened any other way, unfortunately. All happened very quickly. No blaming anyone, not hardly.
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we didn't know each other. I started solo and we hooked up mid-ride. Also, given the specifics of the situation it couldn't have happened any other way, unfortunately. All happened very quickly. No blaming anyone, not hardly.
Ah. Can't do much about that them. Seems the fella you were with is just a victim of circumstance.

In my experience, the right bit of glass will go through everything except a concrete block.

I've ridden all those tyres. My preference has always been the S-Works Turbo for duribility, speed, comfort and grip. It's my unicorn tyre
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Originally Posted by illdrag0n View Post
Ah. Can't do much about that them. Seems the fella you were with is just a victim of circumstance.

In my experience, the right bit of glass will go through everything except a concrete block.

I've ridden all those tyres. My preference has always been the S-Works Turbo for duribility, speed, comfort and grip. It's my unicorn tyre
I've heard good things about that tire! My 4 seasons are wearing, so maybe I'll take a look at them for my next set. How has the durability been? Can you ride over crushed glass without flatting?

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I've heard good things about that tire! My 4 seasons are wearing, so maybe I'll take a look at them for my next set. How has the durability been? Can you ride over crushed glass without flatting?

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There is some concessions when it comes to a race tyre, but they have been great for me in the past. I put 4500km on mine without a puncture before a sidewall cut (that didn't flat me) ended it's life. If you want a bit more protection the Turbo Pro's come with a thicker puncture belt and same compound, but i had a great time with the S-works so would rather the lighter/plusher ride
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Originally Posted by illdrag0n View Post
There is some concessions when it comes to a race tyre, but they have been great for me in the past. I put 4500km on mine without a puncture before a sidewall cut (that didn't flat me) ended it's life. If you want a bit more protection the Turbo Pro's come with a thicker puncture belt and same compound, but i had a great time with the S-works so would rather the lighter/plusher ride
That's pretty much why I'm riding the GP 4 Seasons right now. I was riding Michelin Power Road tires, but hit some road debris, sliced the rear tire, and broke a spoke. So I put the "winter" wheels on and just kept them. They ride better than you'd think, and seem to roll easier than their "BRR" rating. And they're LONG wearing.

But I think I'm done with 'race' tires. Gladly trade a little speed for peace of mind.
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Originally Posted by UCantTouchThis View Post
I installed 2 new GP5000's. Maybe 100 miles each. One flatted one weekend, the other, the following weekend. Glass and one pinch flat hitting a hard object. I will give it that and the glass was all over the road. Hope I get better luck in the future but I'm starting to wonder if the protection is not what it was with the GP4000's. I had great luck with them.
I've ridden both, and I agree; the 5000s are not as durable as the previous generation. I moved to the Michelin Power Road because they seemed to have characteristics closest to the 4000s tires.
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we didn't know each other. I started solo and we hooked up mid-ride. Also, given the specifics of the situation it couldn't have happened any other way, unfortunately. All happened very quickly. No blaming anyone, not hardly.
​​​​​​It's your fault glass can break! 🤬
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​​​​​​It's your fault glass can break! 🤬
Obvious solution: drink beer in cans.
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Originally Posted by dmanthree View Post
I moved to the Michelin Power Road because they seemed to have characteristics closest to the 4000s tires.

Nice to know! I bought a stash of tires before my 4000's ran out. So I have about 5, 5000's now. After installing and a few miles, the tread section looks kind of spongy. Almost as if it invites glass and thorns. Guess I'll find out real soon just how good they are or if I have to switch to another brand.
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Originally Posted by UCantTouchThis View Post
Nice to know! I bought a stash of tires before my 4000's ran out. So I have about 5, 5000's now. After installing and a few miles, the tread section looks kind of spongy. Almost as if it invites glass and thorns. Guess I'll find out real soon just how good they are or if I have to switch to another brand.
I'm a pretty loyal Conti user, as well. I'm riding the GP 4 Season now, but only bcause my local support system is gon for a while. I'll switch back to the Michelins in a week or two. The Power Road, their "in between" Road tire is excellent. I did flat one recently, but it clearly was not the tire's weakness, but road debris that killed the tire with an unpatchable slice and then kicked up and took out a spoke. So I threw the "winter" wheels on and just left them there for a bit. But really, the 4 Seasons are excellent tires that, for me, seem to roll a lot better than the BRR numbers might indicate.

So if the 5000s don't work out, the Power Road is something I've got to believe you'll really like.
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Originally Posted by dmanthree View Post
On this morning's ride I hooked up with a couple of other guys for a few miles along the coast. During the ride, the lead rider shouts "glass" and since it happened quickly, and nobody wanted to swerve out into traffic lands, we all rolled through it. The lead guy missed most of it, but me and the guy behind me hit is square. He flatted, I didn't. The revelation?

A Conti GP 4 Season with air is faster than a Conti GP 5000 without. No damage to my tires. Could be just dumb luck, too.

Lucky guy! You should buy a lottery ticket. Are you running TL?

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Here's my revelation. Get better riding mates that know how to look down the road and call out hazards before they become a problem
Got to agree on that one. I ride with both experienced and inexperience cyclists and man, it does make a difference.

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Originally Posted by eduskator View Post
Lucky guy! You should buy a lottery ticket. Are you running TL?



Got to agree on that one. I ride with both experienced and inexperience cyclists and man, it does make a difference.
I play the lottery, but, well...for me it's still a tax.

The guys I was with were strangers I hooked up during a ride. I did my best to slow them down, too. ;-)
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I play the lottery, but, well...for me it's still a tax.

The guys I was with were strangers I hooked up during a ride. I did my best to slow them down, too. ;-)
A tax that's also taxed when you win! Never understood that of the great US of A.

Off topic, I know
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Originally Posted by dmanthree View Post
I'm a pretty loyal Conti user, as well. I'm riding the GP 4 Season now, but only bcause my local support system is gon for a while. I'll switch back to the Michelins in a week or two. The Power Road, their "in between" Road tire is excellent. I did flat one recently, but it clearly was not the tire's weakness, but road debris that killed the tire with an unpatchable slice and then kicked up and took out a spoke. So I threw the "winter" wheels on and just left them there for a bit. But really, the 4 Seasons are excellent tires that, for me, seem to roll a lot better than the BRR numbers might indicate.

So if the 5000s don't work out, the Power Road is something I've got to believe you'll really like.

Thanks for the tip and the info. Always good to get suggestions about good tires.
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