Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Saddle Soreness

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Saddle Soreness

Old 04-24-21, 08:57 PM
  #1  
Sojodave
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Sojodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 581

Bikes: The Blurple Specialized Roubaix Pro

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 218 Post(s)
Liked 140 Times in 74 Posts
Saddle Soreness

I built up a new Roubaix Pro over the winter and I choose a Fizik Tempo Argo R1 saddle. I found it comfortable until I started doing longer rides. I'm not experiencing perineum pain nor any numbness, I just get saddle soreness. I did a 60-mile ride and I started feeling it the last ten miles. The next week, I did a 75-mile ride and I was really sore the last 40 miles. I rode 50 miles today and I was sore halfway through the ride. Should I stay with my current saddle and just get used to it, or is it time to jump ship and get another saddle. I have been through a lot of saddles and I know that getting used to a saddle takes some time. I have probably tried over 20 saddles and I've had the best luck with the Specialized Power Expert. If I jump ship, I'll probably get another Power Expert.

Last edited by Sojodave; 04-24-21 at 09:01 PM.
Sojodave is offline  
Old 04-25-21, 09:15 AM
  #2  
Badger6
Obsessed with Eddington
 
Badger6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Brussels (BE) 🇧🇪
Posts: 1,329

Bikes: '16 Spesh Diverge, '14 Spesh Fatboy, '18 Spesh Epic, '18 Spesh SL6, '21 Spesh SL7, '21 Spesh Diverge...and maybe n+1?

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 531 Post(s)
Liked 620 Times in 368 Posts
Originally Posted by Sojodave View Post
I built up a new Roubaix Pro over the winter and I choose a Fizik Tempo Argo R1 saddle. I found it comfortable until I started doing longer rides. I'm not experiencing perineum pain nor any numbness, I just get saddle soreness. I did a 60-mile ride and I started feeling it the last ten miles. The next week, I did a 75-mile ride and I was really sore the last 40 miles. I rode 50 miles today and I was sore halfway through the ride. Should I stay with my current saddle and just get used to it, or is it time to jump ship and get another saddle. I have been through a lot of saddles and I know that getting used to a saddle takes some time. I have probably tried over 20 saddles and I've had the best luck with the Specialized Power Expert. If I jump ship, I'll probably get another Power Expert.
+1 on the Power saddle...they are all the same (except the mirror, which is also stupidly expensive, but very comfortable).

Can you describe your soreness? Anatomically, what is sore?
Badger6 is offline  
Old 04-25-21, 01:03 PM
  #3  
Iride01 
more daylight today!
 
Iride01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 12,174

Bikes: Tarmac Disc Comp Di2 - 2020

Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4991 Post(s)
Liked 3,500 Times in 2,427 Posts
If you change what your body is used to, then it'll gripe a little. Increasing distance is a change.
Iride01 is offline  
Old 04-25-21, 02:12 PM
  #4  
dmanthree
Senior Member
 
dmanthree's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Northeastern MA, USA
Posts: 1,645

Bikes: Garmin/Tacx Bike Smart

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 630 Post(s)
Liked 274 Times in 181 Posts
Saddle choice has to be the most common recurring thread on this forum. The trouble is nobody can tell you what will or won't work for you since there are simply too many variables. So, all I can tell you is what works for me: a Brooks B17. Yes, the hard leather 100 year old design. I tried many "modern" saddles with NO luck at all.

Good luck...
dmanthree is offline  
Old 04-25-21, 04:24 PM
  #5  
Sojodave
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Sojodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 581

Bikes: The Blurple Specialized Roubaix Pro

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 218 Post(s)
Liked 140 Times in 74 Posts
The rails on the Fizik Tempo Argo are alot longer than any saddle I've used. For kicks and giggles, I put on a Bontrager Aelous and I had to put on a longer stem to accommodate my reach. I'll try the Aeulos and see if that makes a difference.

Last edited by Sojodave; 04-25-21 at 04:31 PM.
Sojodave is offline  
Old 04-25-21, 11:01 PM
  #6  
Badger6
Obsessed with Eddington
 
Badger6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Brussels (BE) 🇧🇪
Posts: 1,329

Bikes: '16 Spesh Diverge, '14 Spesh Fatboy, '18 Spesh Epic, '18 Spesh SL6, '21 Spesh SL7, '21 Spesh Diverge...and maybe n+1?

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 531 Post(s)
Liked 620 Times in 368 Posts
Do you know the measurements that work for you, BB to saddle, saddle setback (complicated by the varying length of saddle noses these days), saddle to bar reach, saddle to bar drop? Have you attempted to replicate this in your current setup? Maybe I'm missing something, but this started out with questions about soreness, and now is about (saddle to bar?) reach?
Badger6 is offline  
Old 04-26-21, 08:31 AM
  #7  
Sojodave
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Sojodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 581

Bikes: The Blurple Specialized Roubaix Pro

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 218 Post(s)
Liked 140 Times in 74 Posts
Originally Posted by Badger6 View Post
Do you know the measurements that work for you, BB to saddle, saddle setback (complicated by the varying length of saddle noses these days), saddle to bar reach, saddle to bar drop? Have you attempted to replicate this in your current setup? Maybe I'm missing something, but this started out with questions about soreness, and now is about (saddle to bar?) reach?
Yes, I do have measurements from a fitting from another bike. I am trying to replicate it as close as I can. I'm 6'4" with a long torso. The Roubaix geometry is different than my other bike. What is weird is that the reach on my old bike is 417 and the reach on my Roubaix is 395, but I feel more stretched out on the Roubaix with the same measurement fit.
Sojodave is offline  
Old 04-26-21, 08:55 AM
  #8  
Badger6
Obsessed with Eddington
 
Badger6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Brussels (BE) 🇧🇪
Posts: 1,329

Bikes: '16 Spesh Diverge, '14 Spesh Fatboy, '18 Spesh Epic, '18 Spesh SL6, '21 Spesh SL7, '21 Spesh Diverge...and maybe n+1?

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 531 Post(s)
Liked 620 Times in 368 Posts
Originally Posted by Sojodave View Post
Yes, I do have measurements from a fitting from another bike. I am trying to replicate it as close as I can. I'm 6'4" with a long torso. The Roubaix geometry is different than my other bike. What is weird is that the reach on my old bike is 417 and the reach on my Roubaix is 395, but I feel more stretched out on the Roubaix with the same measurement fit.
Try this tool: https://www.velogicfit.com/frame-comparison

Unlike a comparison of just frame geometries, it actually goes one step further and approximates bar position (reach and vertical position of the bar) by taking into account spacer height and stem length. I've used it to fine tune bar pos on a bike that had a dramatically different geometry than any other bike I had, and it was almost on the money.

That said...have you figured out the source of the "soreness" or remedied it? If not, have you had your sit bones measured, and the saddle sized to you? Too narrow or too wide saddles can be a literal PITA, as I'm sue you are aware. I personally for years rode a 143, was convinced it was my size. Got measured, then tested out a 155...changed my life. Centuries didn't hurt anymore.
Badger6 is offline  
Old 04-26-21, 08:59 AM
  #9  
Sojodave
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Sojodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 581

Bikes: The Blurple Specialized Roubaix Pro

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 218 Post(s)
Liked 140 Times in 74 Posts
Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
If you change what your body is used to, then it'll gripe a little. Increasing distance is a change.
The pain is in my sit bone area and general soreness at the top of the back of the leg.
Sojodave is offline  
Old 04-26-21, 09:19 AM
  #10  
Doomrider74
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 258
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 131 Post(s)
Liked 98 Times in 53 Posts
Have you thought about saddle width? I went for years using saddles that were too narrow. When I found out I needed 155mm saddles a lot of my issues went away.

If it's your sit bones, it could be your saddle is the wrong width.
Doomrider74 is offline  
Likes For Doomrider74:
Old 04-26-21, 09:40 AM
  #11  
Sojodave
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Sojodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 581

Bikes: The Blurple Specialized Roubaix Pro

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 218 Post(s)
Liked 140 Times in 74 Posts
I've tried the Ass-O-Meter 5 times at my local Specialized dealer. 3 times my sit bones said 130, 2 times it said 120. I've been on a 155 Power and my Fizik Tempo Argo is a 150. I've tried 145 saddles and they just felt too narrow.
Sojodave is offline  
Old 04-26-21, 10:10 AM
  #12  
Iride01 
more daylight today!
 
Iride01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 12,174

Bikes: Tarmac Disc Comp Di2 - 2020

Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4991 Post(s)
Liked 3,500 Times in 2,427 Posts
Never used a Ass-o-meter or any other thing to measure my sit bones. One thing everyone needs to know about the structures we call sit bones is that they are like the runners on a rocking chair. Curved and they get closer together as they go toward the front.

So while sitting upright, your sit bones will be further apart. While leaning forward and aero your sit bones will be closer together. So with one measurement on a ass-o-meter, you still have a bunch of saddle profiles to try to find the right one.
Iride01 is offline  
Likes For Iride01:
Old 04-26-21, 11:52 AM
  #13  
sfrider 
Asleep at the bars
 
sfrider's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA and Treasure Island, FL
Posts: 1,735
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 228 Post(s)
Liked 201 Times in 135 Posts
Originally Posted by Sojodave View Post
The pain is in my sit bone area and general soreness at the top of the back of the leg.
If you lean forward by rotating your pelvis instead of bending your back, then what happens is you roll forward onto the front tips of your sit bones, which get very achy. The fix is to rotate the saddle forward a little or use a saddle with a raised back, so the sit bones are flatter against it.

The other portion sounds like a muscle strain, but could also be the front of a flat saddle's wider portion digging into the muscle. The good news is tilting the saddle a little is likely to help, as is shifting the saddle ever so slightly back to relieve pressure. But it can also be muscle strain that is simple never given a chance to fully heal. If you ride by sitting fairly far back and pushing against the pedals at a low cadence, mainly using your quads, then what is preventing you from sliding back off the saddle is exactly that portion of your hamstring-glute overlap area jamming against the saddle - this could be another factor.
__________________
"This 7:48 cycling session burned 5933 calories. Speed up recovery by replacing them with a healthy snack." - Whoop


Last edited by sfrider; 04-26-21 at 11:56 AM.
sfrider is offline  
Likes For sfrider:
Old 04-26-21, 12:04 PM
  #14  
Iride01 
more daylight today!
 
Iride01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Mississippi
Posts: 12,174

Bikes: Tarmac Disc Comp Di2 - 2020

Mentioned: 43 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4991 Post(s)
Liked 3,500 Times in 2,427 Posts
Originally Posted by sfrider View Post
If you lean forward by rotating your pelvis instead of bending your back, then what happens is you roll forward onto the front tips of your sit bones, which get very achy. The fix is to rotate the saddle forward a little or use a saddle with a raised back, so the sit bones are flatter against it.

The other portion sounds like a muscle strain, but could also be the front of a flat saddle's wider portion digging into the muscle. The good news is tilting the saddle a little is likely to help, as is shifting the saddle ever so slightly back to relieve pressure. But it can also be muscle strain that is simple never given a chance to fully heal.
I kinda agree with you.

However we need to know what the OP is calling his sit bones that have the pain. I sort of perceived it really meaning that the pain more around the coccyx. Usually that is from sitting too upright too long. Pain or soreness in the taint or perineal area is usually from sliding forward on the saddle while maintaining an upright pelvis.

The narrower parts of the saddle require the narrower spaced parts of the sit bones. Leaning the pelvis with the body and keeping the back somewhat straight or just slightly rounded will help keep parts on the saddle that need to be on the saddle.
Iride01 is offline  
Likes For Iride01:
Old 04-26-21, 01:59 PM
  #15  
eduskator
Senior Member
 
eduskator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2019
Location: Québec, Canada
Posts: 1,363

Bikes: TCR Pro, Revolt Adv

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 582 Post(s)
Liked 332 Times in 255 Posts
Finding the perfect saddle is like finding the perfect avocado at the grocery store, it's HARD. I know mine isn't perfectly fitted for my arse, but I never really figured out how to find the perfect one without having to buy & try a few of them. I don't get soreness, but I do get numbness around my genital parts area when I stay on the saddle for an extended period of time. It happens on the days where I am too lazy to attack climbs.

Last edited by eduskator; 04-26-21 at 02:03 PM.
eduskator is offline  
Old 04-26-21, 02:04 PM
  #16  
friday1970
Senior Member
 
friday1970's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Brighton, Michigan
Posts: 636

Bikes: Optima Baron LR, '14 Nishiki Maricopa,'87 Trek 330 Elance, '89 Miyata 1400, '85 Peugeot PGN10, '04 Fuji Ace, '06 Giant Rincon, '95 Giant Allegre, '83 Trek 620, '86 Schwinn High Sierra

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 216 Post(s)
Liked 148 Times in 97 Posts
Adjust the seat angle a bit. I found that I was having the seat pointed down too much, I could barely last 50 miles. But my having it nearly level. soreness is nearly gone. But, that is my case, Could be different for you.
friday1970 is offline  
Old 04-26-21, 06:32 PM
  #17  
AdkMtnMonster
Airplanes, bikes, beer.
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Off the front
Posts: 763

Bikes: Road bikes, mountain bikes, a cx bike, a gravel bike…

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 398 Post(s)
Liked 788 Times in 339 Posts
Originally Posted by eduskator View Post
Finding the perfect saddle is like finding the perfect avocado at the grocery store, it's HARD. I know mine isn't perfectly fitted for my arse, but I never really figured out how to find the perfect one without having to buy & try a few of them. I don't get soreness, but I do get numbness around my genital parts area when I stay on the saddle for an extended period of time. It happens on the days where I am too lazy to attack climbs.
Wait a minute. The perfect avocado shouldn’t be hard. If it’s hard then it’s not ripe yet, and therefore it’s useless, which is less than perfect for sammiches, sushi/sashimi, guacamole or tacos/burritos. And why would you want to eat a bike seat???
AdkMtnMonster is offline  
Old 04-26-21, 08:31 PM
  #18  
jaxgtr
Senior Member
 
jaxgtr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Posts: 6,005

Bikes: Trek Domane SLR 7 eTap AXS, Trek Emonda ALR 6, Trek FX 5 Sport

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 474 Post(s)
Liked 982 Times in 591 Posts
Originally Posted by Sojodave View Post
I've tried the Ass-O-Meter 5 times at my local Specialized dealer. 3 times my sit bones said 130, 2 times it said 120. I've been on a 155 Power and my Fizik Tempo Argo is a 150. I've tried 145 saddles and they just felt too narrow.

I rode a 143mm Specialized Romin for years....when I hit 65-70 miles, it became a little uncomfortable, but not ridiculous. When I got my Domane in Oct, I tried the Bontrager Verse in 145. It felt a little wide, so I tried a 135mm and OMG, what a difference. The initial rides were a little odd with that same feeling of it being too narrow, but I had to make some slight fore and aft adjustments, but once I found the sweet spot, it was heavenly. I have this saddle on 3 of my bikes now and my wife is also using the Verse on her FX4. She went from a 155 Specialized saddle to a 145mm, and found it much more comfy. I think the ass-o-meter measures wide.

Also, until I found the Romin, I probably tried 5 different saddles
__________________
Brian | 2023 Trek Domane SLR 7 eTap AXS | 2016 Trek Emonda ALR 6 | 2022 Trek FX Sport 5
Originally Posted by AEO View Post
you should learn to embrace change, and mock it's failings every step of the way.












Last edited by jaxgtr; 04-27-21 at 05:13 PM.
jaxgtr is offline  
Old 04-27-21, 02:24 AM
  #19  
gios 
Senior Member
 
gios's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: NV
Posts: 600

Bikes: 2021 Litespeed T5 105, 1990 Gios Compact Pro 105

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 167 Post(s)
Liked 322 Times in 180 Posts
Try another shorts to compare distance with comfort.
gios is offline  
Likes For gios:
Old 04-28-21, 10:35 AM
  #20  
Sojodave
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Sojodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 581

Bikes: The Blurple Specialized Roubaix Pro

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 218 Post(s)
Liked 140 Times in 74 Posts
Originally Posted by gios View Post
Try another shorts to compare distance with comfort.
I have good quality bibs with good chamois from DNA cycling. Update, I bite the bullet and bought a Specialized Power Expert 155. I adjusted it according to my last fitting, took it for a ride around the block and I think I heard angels sing. I got the perfect balance between saddle and handlebars and I hope this cures my saddle soreness. I've got a big ride this Saturday, I'll see quickly.
Sojodave is offline  
Likes For Sojodave:
Old 04-28-21, 12:26 PM
  #21  
Mojo31
-------
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 8,938
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6791 Post(s)
Liked 4,253 Times in 2,315 Posts
Originally Posted by jaxgtr View Post
I rode a 143mm Specialized Romin for years....when I hit 65-70 miles, it became a little uncomfortable, but not ridiculous. When I got my Domane in Oct, I tried the Bontrager Verse in 145. It felt a little wide, so I tried a 135mm and OMG, what a difference. The initial rides were a little odd with that same feeling of it being too narrow, but I had to make some slight fore and aft adjustments, but once I found the sweet spot, it was heavenly. I have this saddle on 3 of my bikes now and my wife is also using the Verse on her FX4. She went from a 155 Specialized saddle to a 145mm, and found it much more comfy. I think the ass-o-meter measures wide.

Also, until I found the Romin, I probably tried 5 different saddles
Same - running 135mm Verse on my Domane as well, and it is a very good fit to my skinny arse.

I have the Power Expert 145 on my other bike, and find it very comfortable. Two hours on it without a chamois, and I'm still good to go.
Mojo31 is offline  
Old 04-28-21, 01:57 PM
  #22  
htown_rider
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2021
Posts: 9
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I second this.
htown_rider is offline  
Old 04-28-21, 03:10 PM
  #23  
Elvo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Orange County, CA
Posts: 4,746
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 621 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 357 Times in 196 Posts
Maybe the Argo Vento would be more suitable?
Elvo is offline  
Old 04-29-21, 04:15 PM
  #24  
Sojodave
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Sojodave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Utah
Posts: 581

Bikes: The Blurple Specialized Roubaix Pro

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 218 Post(s)
Liked 140 Times in 74 Posts
Originally Posted by Elvo View Post
Maybe the Argo Vento would be more suitable?
I tried the Argo Vento and it was a no-go. I really wanted to have the Argo Tempo work with my bum because it looks like the type of saddle I would get along with.
Sojodave is offline  
Old 04-29-21, 04:20 PM
  #25  
Doomrider74
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 258
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 131 Post(s)
Liked 98 Times in 53 Posts
I was a devotee of the Spesh Toupe saddles but I really like the Power one that came on my Tarmac SL6. It doesn't bother me they discontinued the Toupe, now
Doomrider74 is offline  
Likes For Doomrider74:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.