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Getting dropped on hills

Old 05-07-21, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Im 230-235 lbs this is probably hurting me
It is all power to weight baby! Guys who weigh 50 pounds less than you will complain that a 150 pound rider is killing them on the hills... Also, what is your age? What is your max HR before you explode? How long can you sustain 80 or more percent of max? Hill climbing takes a lot of time to become good at and you may be too large to ever be one of the really fast guys. I am pretty good at them but I am 6'3" and weigh 193. I am also 63 years old. I ride hills with my 14 year old who is 140 pounds and when he puts that hammer down on the hills, there is nothing that I can do to keep up. Now, on rolling terrain tempo riding, I can pull away from him but on hills of 8 percent and more? Nope.
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Old 05-07-21, 06:18 AM
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Looking at previous threads, I've decided that this is performance artist.
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Old 05-07-21, 09:05 AM
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It is all power to weight baby! Guys who weigh 50 pounds less than you will complain that a 150 pound rider is killing them on the hills... Also, what is your age? What is your max HR before you explode? How long can you sustain 80 or more percent of max? Hill climbing takes a lot of time to become good at and you may be too large to ever be one of the really fast guys. I am pretty good at them but I am 6'3" and weigh 193. I am also 63 years old. I ride hills with my 14 year old who is 140 pounds and when he puts that hammer down on the hills, there is nothing that I can do to keep up. Now, on rolling terrain tempo riding, I can pull away from him but on hills of 8 percent and more? Nope.

im 25 and donít know anything about my heart rate/power/80% max but I ride 100-150 miles a week. Maybe I should start training more seriously because Iím planning on upping my mileage to 200+ a week. Atleast get a heart rate monitor.

thatís sick that you are riding with your kid and that he can beat you up the hills, it sounds like heís going to be a beast. I couldnít beat my old man up the hills until I was 18. Keep on keeping on brother.
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Old 05-07-21, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by colnago62 View Post
There was a guy on YouTube who would wear a rubber mask of an old man and old guy cloths and pass younger rider on hills
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Originally Posted by Fox Farm View Post
It is all power to weight baby! Guys who weigh 50 pounds less than you will complain that a 150 pound rider is killing them on the hills... Also, what is your age? What is your max HR before you explode? How long can you sustain 80 or more percent of max? Hill climbing takes a lot of time to become good at and you may be too large to ever be one of the really fast guys. I am pretty good at them but I am 6'3" and weigh 193. I am also 63 years old. I ride hills with my 14 year old who is 140 pounds and when he puts that hammer down on the hills, there is nothing that I can do to keep up. Now, on rolling terrain tempo riding, I can pull away from him but on hills of 8 percent and more? Nope.
wait till he 16, he will drop you on everything.
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Old 05-07-21, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
Um, unless this is an unusual little corner of the Bay Area, I think not. There are hella fast riders in those parts. Maybe the local fast groups aren't so easy to find.
Go out for a ride early on Sunday - like before 8 AM - and if you're in the Woodside/Portola area, you'll probably see them.

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Old 05-07-21, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
Go out for a ride early on Sunday - like before 8 AM - and if you're in the Woodside/Portola area, you'll probably see them.

Briefly.
thanks for the tip! Normally I patrol Canada when I’m out chasing weekend warriors, but it sounds like I should be on sand hill/alpine.

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Old 05-07-21, 01:40 PM
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"weakend warriors"

Chase the ones who haven't been weakened. That'll be more impressive.
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I am a fat alcoholic so Iím under no delusion that I will race any time soon, but it would be nice to be nearly as strong as them. Iím a commuter and I like being the fastest guy on my route, running into the noon ride really put a wrench in my gears and showed me just how fast the real guys are.

they can make fun of me all they want, Iíll just get stronger and come back faster. Gonna spend some time going up a big daddy hill instead of chasing them in a futile effort.


also why are old guys so damn fast lol?? They chill down the hills but I swear once you hit like 65+ and have spent years on the saddle you level up or something. Love to see it. In your pic itís sick that the portly Lycra dude was able to keep up with you two, I can tell just by looking that the you and the dude on the left are fast
​​​​​​They've been riding since they were young. 🙂
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The other riders will shun you like the plague.
​​​​​​People don't shun the plague.
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I am a fat alcoholic....
Kudos! That puts you in some esteemed company here on BF. Some of our most entertaining (former) members fit that description.
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Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
"weakend warriors"

Chase the ones who haven't been weakened. That'll be more impressive.
lol idk why I wrote weekend like that must be autocorrect. Yeah I try to chase strong people
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
Kudos! That puts you in some esteemed company here on BF. Some of our most entertaining (former) members fit that description.
Im trying to upgrade to pudgy binge drinker, getting closer tbh! slowed down a bit on drinking and lost some weight as ive increased my mileage on the bike
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Originally Posted by Fox Farm View Post
It is all power to weight baby! Guys who weigh 50 pounds less than you will complain that a 150 pound rider is killing them on the hills... Also, what is your age? What is your max HR before you explode? How long can you sustain 80 or more percent of max? Hill climbing takes a lot of time to become good at and you may be too large to ever be one of the really fast guys. I am pretty good at them but I am 6'3" and weigh 193. I am also 63 years old. I ride hills with my 14 year old who is 140 pounds and when he puts that hammer down on the hills, there is nothing that I can do to keep up. Now, on rolling terrain tempo riding, I can pull away from him but on hills of 8 percent and more? Nope.
Same. We did a COVID-friendly local TT series last summer and I could always take my kid on the flat courses. But he'd kill me on the hill climbs. He would give me a couple minutes head start and then just fly by me.
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Originally Posted by Seattle Forrest View Post
​​​​​​They've been riding since they were young. 🙂
my theory is they have high cadence and breath correctly, young guys can get away without being efficient
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
my theory is they have high cadence and breath correctly, young guys can get away without being efficient
Your theory needs some adjustment. FTP and power-to-weight ratio are pretty big factors that cannot be ignored.
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Same. We did a COVID-friendly local TT series last summer and I could always take my kid on the flat courses. But he'd kill me on the hill climbs. He would give me a couple minutes head start and then just fly by me.
Very cool that you get to share cycling with your kid. Neither of my girls ever showed much of an interest.
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Your theory needs some adjustment. FTP and power-to-weight ratio are pretty big factors that cannot be ignored.
Another factor is fatigue resistance, which is a factor on longer rides. Old guys may not have the power, but they last longer.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
my theory is they have high cadence and breath correctly, young guys can get away without being efficient
​​​​​​Speed on a bike is just math. Inefficiency hurts young guys just as much as old ones. Younger people have a higher ceiling on their potential, but Tok Tok doesn't develop any of that potential. But you're right they a lot of the masters crowd has figured out how it's done.
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Another factor is fatigue resistance, which is a factor on longer rides. Old guys may not have the power, but they last longer.
That's what she said.
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...I made getting dropped on climbs an art form. What eventually helped me was to start the climb in the front of the group and hopefully, as I slid to the back, the climb ended before being dropped.
LOL, that made me laugh...thx!
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Same. We did a COVID-friendly local TT series last summer and I could always take my kid on the flat courses. But he'd kill me on the hill climbs. He would give me a couple minutes head start and then just fly by me.
He has gotten a lot stronger in the past few years. I try to work with him to improve his cycling skills, particularly descending. I think that he gets it that cycling does not have to be about racing but training as if you are a racer but for the pure joy of feeling your body do what you want it to do.
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