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Any downside to extra mounts? (ie. just in case)

Old 05-09-21, 06:21 PM
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Any downside to extra mounts? (ie. just in case)

Looking at a bike that could, simply by checking a box or three, come with fender, and/or rack, and/or 3rd water bottle mounts built in. They're not free add-ons, but costs are relatively nominal. Is there really any reason to not have them all added? Actually, I probably would never opt for the 3rd bottle mount, but whatever.
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Old 05-09-21, 06:34 PM
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Fender and rack mounts are yes or no thing.

Bosses for a third bottle increases capacity a bit. I’ve managed with 2 bottles on 600ks.
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I had a custom frame built in 2019, and got the third set of water bottle bosses; in 2020, during the pandemic, I realized that was the best $50 I ever spent. With three bottles, I could ride for 70 miles in the summer heat and never have to set foot inside a convenience store to refill. And if I don't need the third cage, I'll just remove it.

I got the fender mounts, too - there was no additional cost, they are almost invisible, and I might put fenders on the bike someday.

tl;dr: a good frame can (and should) last a looong time. If you can build in some flexibility at little cost, why not do it?
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I was watching Shane Miller aka GPLama on his review of the Cervelo Aspero and he talked about not having the extra mounts on a bike and said he really didn't miss them. He mentioned that the bike was not designed to be that kind of bike. Worst case for him was to strap what ever he needs to the bike. When I watched this I kind of agreed with him. For the type of riding I do, I would never need three water bottles or racks and fenders. Yet, Koyote makes a good point, when you need them, they are great to have.

Your point about nominal cost is something I think about. Though not bike related I own high end audio equipment and I will use my DAC as a reference. It has 8 different inputs when all I need is one, but I paid for the other seven. There is a cost associated with this. From the parts themselves, and the cost to install them it is not insignificant. This is a DAC that cost the price of an Emonda so every little part adds up. When I went custom for my bike each part has an added cost and when I am paying I was careful to chose what I was going and not going to use.
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Good points, blakcloud . If I never rode further than about 40 miles, and never rode in hot weather, I wouldn't have bothered with the third bottle cage.
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Originally Posted by Koyote View Post

tl;dr: a good frame can (and should) last a looong time. If you can build in some flexibility at little cost, why not do it?
Kinda what I was thinking. Adding all 3 mounts (fender, rack and 3rd bottle) adds about 10% to the bike cost. At the same time, most brands don't have these by default, so in a way trying to find out what, if any downsides there must be. Eg. your run o'the mill Trek Domane/Checkpoint or Spesh Roubaix/Diverge I don't think have 'em. I get that they're bucketed as "performance" level bikes, but they seem no-brainer 'why not' add-ons. At the same other brands have them by default (eg Jamis Renegade).
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While I might never use them, for a nominal fee, I would do it. Sort of like insurance....you might never need it, but when you need it, its nice to have
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Old 05-10-21, 08:58 PM
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10% isn't nominal depending on the cost of the frame and also what its for. I've got one frame I bought custom and it has only one set of water bottle cage mounts and that's the only thing, don't need the second mount since the cage is for cross and it interferes with shouldering the bike and who needs fender mounts when mud is its preferred terrain. My gravel bike, no problem with 3 cage mounts, fork cage mounts, rack and fender bosses front and rear; doubt I'll use them all, don't want racks on the frame or fork but nice to have them just in case. Haven't put fenders on yet, doubt they'd fit with the current 700x52 tires but plan on a set of 27.5" to run 2.2 or 2.3 tires along with 700x38, at that point I'll probably consider fenders. Don't have a need for the 3 cage mount but the fork mounts are in use. Road race frame, two cages and perhaps fender mounts, nothing more, did a rack with panniers on a race bike and spent a lot of time kicking the panniers with my heel. Base it on the bike's intended purpose.
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Originally Posted by blakcloud View Post
I was watching Shane Miller aka GPLama on his review of the Cervelo Aspero and he talked about not having the extra mounts on a bike and said he really didn't miss them. He mentioned that the bike was not designed to be that kind of bike. Worst case for him was to strap what ever he needs to the bike. When I watched this I kind of agreed with him. For the type of riding I do, I would never need three water bottles or racks and fenders. Yet, Koyote makes a good point, when you need them, they are great to have.
The Aspero has mounts for a third bottle cage.
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There are a lot of other ways to mount bottles that work just fine. With fenders and racks it's a bit different, and hard to make up for lacking them later, should you want them.
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What??!? Those bosses in your frame will disrupt air flow and cost you 2/3 watt!!
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Fender mounts- yes.
Rack mounts- yes.
Bottle bosses/mounts- yes.

There is absolutely no downside to having these things on a road bike, gravel bike, yada yada.
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The downside of fender mounts is that they might cause you to install fenders and then have no excuse for avoiding riding in the rain.

There are plenty of other ways to carry stuff on bike besides using a rack, so unless you had specific plans to use it for touring, don't really see the utility.

The point at which a third bottle mount would be necessary is about when I'd seriously consider a Camelbak, so it'd be more of a stylistic choice.
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
Fender mounts- yes.
Rack mounts- yes.
Bottle bosses/mounts- yes.

There is absolutely no downside to having these things on a road bike, gravel bike, yada yada.
So here's a snapshot of what the added bosses look like as examples (ignore the BentoBox mount). So, from pure vanity/aesthetic standpoint, I wouldn't want them if I never intended to use them. Maybe the question I should ask, is if I don't have them put in when the frame/bike is made, is adding these something that a number of places could do after the fact, if for example, I only decide 5 years from now that I want one or all 3 of these mounts installed?



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The downside of fender mounts is that they might cause you to install fenders and then have no excuse for avoiding riding in the rain.
Ahh.. Excellent point! I may reconsider
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Old 05-11-21, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
So here's a snapshot of what the added bosses look like as examples (ignore the BentoBox mount). So, from pure vanity/aesthetic standpoint, I wouldn't want them if I never intended to use them. Maybe the question I should ask, is if I don't have them put in when the frame/bike is made, is adding these something that a number of places could do after the fact, if for example, I only decide 5 years from now that I want one or all 3 of these mounts installed?
To add them later would be a huge pain- a significant time suck and financial investment.

You would need to tear down your bike, pack it, pay to ship it, pay to have the mounts added, pay for refinishing(paint, blasting, whatever is needed to blend), pay to have it sent back to you, then build it back up.
That, to me, is a massive investment in time and money when compared to just having some dropout eyelets and frame mounts included in the initial build.

Get some button-head m5 bolts in whatever anodized color you want to match the frame's primary or accent color. Or use titanium since its a ti frame. They really just dont make a bike look bad to me, but maybe my standards are too low.
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The downside of fender mounts is that they might cause you to install fenders and then have no excuse for avoiding riding in the rain.
I installed full fenders so I can ride in the rain. In the very hot summer months, rain can be a blessing and they're fun in a unique way.
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I don't see any downside to adding additional mounting points if you think they are useful.

Also worth noting that if you only have two bottle mounts, but find the need to add a 3rd, something like the Wolftooth B-rad system might work to squeeze it into the main triangle (depending on frame size): https://www.wolftoothcomponents.com/...s/b-rad-system
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I got my Breadwinner with all those options(Bento, 3rd Bottle Bosses, Fender Mounts). I doubt they add THAT much weight.

I already have a rainy day bike with fenders, but I could see myself putting them on the Breadwinner in a few years.

I live in Texas, so I drink both bottles on a 20 mile ride in the summer. I can go 30 miles with 3 bottles, and I can carry even more bottles if I put the saddle mount on for two more bottles or put a 1.8L bladder in the frame bag.

I plan buy a Revelate MagTank Bolt-on bag soon for the bento mount.
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