UAE On Rim Brakes
07-14-21, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
I own one bike with wrench-free thru axles. I own more than one bike with thru axles that require wrenches, and I own more than one bike with quick releases. My experience is that it takes no more time to remove and install a wheel with wrench-free thru axles than it does to remove and install a wheel with quick releases. There is no deliberate ignorance -- it's my experience.
07-14-21, 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by colnago62
I can’t bench 500lbs so it is clearly impossible. An example of willful ignorance.
07-14-21, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean V
UAE is the team in question.
They ride Colnago.
Is a Colnago disc bike like they ride 6.8kg?
I doubt it.
They ride Colnago.
Is a Colnago disc bike like they ride 6.8kg?
I doubt it.
07-14-21, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Better???
BTW, Pogacar won the mountain stage today on a rim brake bike.
It just shows that disc brakes are not a guarantee of winning.
BTW, Pogacar won the mountain stage today on a rim brake bike.
It just shows that disc brakes are not a guarantee of winning.
Ive said it many times but IMO pro cyclists are not the ones who need disc brakes, its us punters.
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07-14-21, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean V
UAE is the team in question.
They ride Colnago.
Is a Colnago disc bike like they ride 6.8kg?
I doubt it.
They ride Colnago.
Is a Colnago disc bike like they ride 6.8kg?
I doubt it.
07-14-21, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
6.9kg for the rim brake version.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4rfFAznD7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4rfFAznD7E
07-14-21, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by yarbrough462
Why do you doubt it? Anything you can let us in on or are you just being contrary? The other manufacturers are getting their climbing bikes there. Why can't Colnago?
A GCN review of the 2020 Colnago V3r (Davide Formolo's) rim brake bike was 6.9kg.
That is why I doubt it.
07-14-21, 09:10 PM
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Cervelo R5 Disc is 1/2 pound more than the rim version in DA.
07-14-21, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean V
Colnago, like Pinarello are known for making good bikes but not light bikes.
A GCN review of the 2020 Colnago V3r (Davide Formolo's) rim brake bike was 6.9kg.
That is why I doubt it.
A GCN review of the 2020 Colnago V3r (Davide Formolo's) rim brake bike was 6.9kg.
That is why I doubt it.
07-14-21, 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
I guess "willful ignorance" was the new phrase in day care today.
07-14-21, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by colnago62
It is an accurate description of the behavior you are exhibiting.
https://cyclingtips.com/2019/07/how-...-change-wheel/
Twenty seconds from mechanic arrival to rider departure is a few seconds longer than the fastest rim brake wheel changes, particularly if we look back to the days when lawyer tabs were filed off. Back then, a very good mechanic could swap a wheel and push their rider off in less than ten seconds. But with lawyer tabs in place, the gap narrows considerably – in fact, a few mechanics have told me that a disc wheel change with an impact driver can be faster.
In the end, thanks to a bit of mechanization, it’s largely a wash. There’s more time to be gained or lost in the skill of the mechanic than in the type of axle and brake used by the rider.
In the end, thanks to a bit of mechanization, it’s largely a wash. There’s more time to be gained or lost in the skill of the mechanic than in the type of axle and brake used by the rider.
07-14-21, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Maelochs
Have you been watching the race? Have you not seen the mechanics running up to the bikes with a wheel in one hand and a drill in the other? Have you not seen the mechanics doing bike swaps instead of wheel changes? I suggest you rewatch the Tour and see what you apparently missed the first time.
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07-14-21, 09:51 PM
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The bikes that they ride in the tour are rarely exactly the same stock as the OEM versions of the bikes sold retail. For one thing, the wheels are almost always different.
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Originally Posted by colnago62
UAE chose rim brake bikes for today’s stage in the Tour. One of the descents is the one that Sagan crashed on in 2018. A very technical drop, which makes their choice interesting. The team must feel the slightly lighter bike outweighs the advantage discs have over rims in braking. My next frame is going to be a rim brake only because it is a warranty replacement and Trek won’t replace it with the disc frame. Of course, all those guys descend better than I do so it is probably less critical.
07-14-21, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
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07-14-21, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Atlas Shrugged
So did you start this obvious troll thread to criticize and make snarky comments to anyone who does not agree? Perhaps go on your usual Sunday group ride which will have a majority of disc brake riders and start picking arguments with them.
07-14-21, 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by colnago62
You were saying the rider could remove the wheel faster. Did you forget that.
Willful ignorance.
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07-14-21, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
I did not state that.
Yawn. This is like when a three-year-old learns to say poop, and keeps repeating it at every opportunity.
Yawn. This is like when a three-year-old learns to say poop, and keeps repeating it at every opportunity.
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In the 2019 Cycle Oregon, they had several riders with heat damaged carbon rims from one of the descents between Steamboat and Culp Creek Oregon.
Of course Cycle Oregon riders may use their brakes very differently than pro racers.
Of course Cycle Oregon riders may use their brakes very differently than pro racers.
07-14-21, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CliffordK
In the 2019 Cycle Oregon, they had several riders with heat damaged carbon rims from one of the descents between Steamboat and Culp Creek Oregon.
Of course Cycle Oregon riders may use their brakes very differently than pro racers.
Of course Cycle Oregon riders may use their brakes very differently than pro racers.
07-14-21, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GlennR
If they made a 1st Gen Emonda with disc brakes i'm sure it would still be under if I went with a lighter set of wheels.
07-14-21, 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by colnago62
I can’t bench 500lbs so it is clearly impossible. An example of willful ignorance.
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07-15-21, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by GlennR
2015 Trek Emonda SLR Project One with Zipp 303 wheels, Look pedals, (2) bottle cages and Garmin mount.
It's easy to get under the UCI minimum on a ready to ride bike shaped object.
It's easy to get under the UCI minimum on a ready to ride bike shaped object.
Have fun riding your BSO buddy. You wait till starva hears what you've been up to.
07-15-21, 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by colnago62
UAE chose rim brake bikes for today’s stage in the Tour. One of the descents is the one that Sagan crashed on in 2018. A very technical drop, which makes their choice interesting. The team must feel the slightly lighter bike outweighs the advantage discs have over rims in braking. My next frame is going to be a rim brake only because it is a warranty replacement and Trek won’t replace it with the disc frame. Of course, all those guys descend better than I do so it is probably less critical.
It was also quite interesting that they used disc brakes on the earlier wet mountain stages. I can only think they would do this if the braking performance was superior. Otherwise why not use lighter rim brakes for ALL the big mountain stages?
So what does this mean from an average rider's perspective? Not much other than high-end rim brakes are still pretty effective and super-light, but disc brakes work more consistently in a wider range of conditions. Changing wheels is trivially easy on both when every last second doesn't count. I personally prefer through axles for their easy self-alignment.
