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You think rim brake, direct mount will return?

Old 07-19-21, 03:56 PM
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I've been riding road bikes since I was a kid (well over 40 years), and have always used rim brakes, first Weinmann centerpulls, progressing to Suntour/Modolo/Campy/Shimano single-pivot sidepulls and now my current Shimano dual-pivots. It's been 20 years since I've had a new bike (and I built that one from a custom frame so I could obsess over every detail &#128514. I will say I used to live in a mountainous area and did wear through an Open Pro rear rim in about 9 years, probably 30K or more miles.

To get this more on topic, if I were to buy a new bike, disc vs. rim and tubed vs. tubeless would not top the selection criteria directly. There are way more important things to be concerned about IMO like fit, comfort, etc. One benefit of the above I see is enabling wider tires, although within reason the right frame design can also accomplish.
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Old 07-19-21, 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
I probably do not brake enough. Everything wears out, even rotors.
It's possible, that I, being a cautious soul, brake too much.
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Old 07-19-21, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
No, direct mount rim brakes wont make some huge comeback. They were a short lived answer something that very few people asked.

20 years from now, most bikes will probably be electric. Heck, most cities may not have clean enough air to ride. Or some may be underwater. Some may be riding on another planet at that point, which introduces all sorts of issues when it comes to tire pressure and gear ratios.
I dont know whats to come, but I do know direct mount rim brakes arent the answer to that unknown.
We will soon have flying bikes
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Old 07-19-21, 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jay4usc View Post
We will soon have flying bikes
Probably not, but here's a prediction that's more plausible: anti-lock brakes.

Bike manufacturers will call it the most significant improvement for road bikes in years.

People will line up to buy them.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Probably not, but here's a prediction that's more plausible: anti-lock brakes.

Bike manufacturers will call it the most significant improvement for road bikes in years.

People will line up to buy them.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
and they will be disc.
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Old 07-19-21, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck M View Post
This reminds me of my dad's thoughts on automatic transmissions. I'm old enough to remember why manual transmissions were called standards because they were standard. My dad hated the thought of an automatic transmission until he had one. I think you will be OK with the disc brakes once you have one. I'm an old fart and brakes are just one of the things I enjoy the differences of between my old bikes and my newer one.
After I learned to drive a standard manual transmission, guess what I prefer? My old pickup, our Subaru wagon, the old Volvo wagon we had for a while - all had manual transmission. But when it came time to replace the Subaru, it was very hard to even find a manual transmission. (And on the one VW wagon that I did find, they had switched out the rims for something bigger and beefier ... kind of killing the chance of getting better mileage).

If you think of it, disks v. rim is the same argument as automatic v. manual transmission. I like manual because of the way it forces me to think about the road, conditions, when I may have to anticipate downshifting, etc. I'm more in touch with the road. I suspect we can make the same argument for rim brakes - I have to think about puddles and how much crap is collecting on my rim. Is it going to rain today? Does that light mist falling mean I should think a bit earlier about braking? (Actually, I ride in Southern California and never have to think about these things for the most part.)

I guess it's the same reason I ride my old StumpJumper with no suspension and 1.5" slicks on dirt and gravel, rather than get a bona fide mountain bike. I like having to choose my line rather than just fly over things. That, and I'm cheap.
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Old 07-19-21, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Probably not, but here's a prediction that's more plausible: anti-lock brakes.
It's been done and on rim brakes, none the less.
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Old 07-19-21, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Probably not, but here's a prediction that's more plausible: anti-lock brakes.

Bike manufacturers will call it the most significant improvement for road bikes in years.

People will line up to buy them.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
Considering that Shimano is working on a electric version of their disc braking systems that seems like a given depending on how far forward in the future we are talking about.

I thought I saw some speculation that an anti lock system might come along at some point during or after this makes it's way into the real world. Considering how Di2 already allows you to customize your shifting there might be the option to control how your braking works and tune to your preference (my speculation).
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Old 07-19-21, 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Probably not, but here's a prediction that's more plausible: anti-lock brakes.

Bike manufacturers will call it the most significant improvement for road bikes in years..

The cost will be hundreds of dollars more than anything we have now, and they will be the only system offered on any serious, high quality road bike.

I fully expect this.
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Old 07-19-21, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by KJ43 View Post
Considering that Shimano is working on a electric version of their disc braking systems that seems like a given depending on how far forward in the future we are talking about.

I thought I saw some speculation that an anti lock system might come along at some point during or after this makes it's way into the real world. Considering how Di2 already allows you to customize your shifting there might be the option to control how your braking works and tune to your preference (my speculation).
Brakes is one part of a bike I would not want to be electric.
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Old 07-19-21, 07:09 PM
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Brakes is one part of a bike I would not want to be electric.
If its dialed, it's dialed. I'm in once they have it figured out.
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Old 07-19-21, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by KJ43 View Post
If its dialed, it's dialed. I'm in once they have it figured out.
The trust factor will never be there. I would never trust my brakes to an electric signal.
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Old 07-19-21, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by pgjackson View Post
The trust factor will never be there. I would never trust my brakes to an electric signal.
Better not drive a car then. Many are already brake-by-wire.
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Old 07-19-21, 10:44 PM
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I've noticed in cycling, while trends come and some leave, they often come around again, like steel getting more popular again, or when press fit was constantly touted by the big brands being so superior, well, BSA is back.
I wonder if rim/direct mount be the same, after a few years of big brands trying shove disc brake down our throats to point of refusing to make rim brake versions of their road bikes, it will come back in a few years?
What you think?
With Shimano releasing rim brakes that can cover 32mm, I reckon so.

I used to be pro-disc brakes, but after buying some decent brand rim brake pads, I don't see a point.
Rim pads are just so simple and cheap

Agree disc brakes are superior in extreme conditions (heavy rain, MTB'ing) but it seems to exaggerated

Not having to worry about trueing a wheel perfectly is another benefit but you still should
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Old 07-20-21, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Probably not, but here's a prediction that's more plausible: anti-lock brakes.

Bike manufacturers will call it the most significant improvement for road bikes in years.

People will line up to buy them.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
ABS was the most significant improvement in car brakes in the last few decades. So give it a chance. It's not like I've never locked up my rear wheel.
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Old 07-20-21, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by MrBeebs View Post

Not having to worry about trueing a wheel perfectly is another benefit but you still should
Just as an anecdote I was cycling with a group the other week and one of the guys snapped a rear wheel spoke on a steep climb, which threw his rim out. He had to back his rear rim brake right off to the point of being unusable. Not something that's going to happen every day I know.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski View Post
Just as an anecdote I was cycling with a group the other week and one of the guys snapped a rear wheel spoke on a steep climb, which threw his rim out. He had to back his rear rim brake right off to the point of being unusable. Not something that's going to happen every day I know.
I broke a spoke for the first time in decades earlier this summer.

Observation 1: 24 spoke wheels with internal nipples leave you with a severely wobbly wheel, with little chance of repair on the road.
Observation 2: Disc brakes tolerate really wobbly wheels.
Observation 3: A wheel set that requires 4 different spoke lengths is pretty inconvenient.
Observation 4: None of the above matters much if you break a spoke once every 20-30 years.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse View Post
Better not drive a car then. Many are already brake-by-wire.
So long as I can manually pump the emergency brake, I'm cool. Not sure how that would translate to a bike ...
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Old 07-20-21, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Chinghis View Post
So long as I can manually pump the emergency brake, I'm cool. Not sure how that would translate to a bike ...
It would probably still work manually and there are 2 brakes, so you will have redundancy.
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Old 07-22-21, 06:57 PM
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Keep It Simple, Stupid
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Old 07-24-21, 11:17 PM
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Keep It Simple, Stupid

Here is one more example of simple-stupid and complex-smart:

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complex-smart
More like 888=378
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I thought of this thread when I saw this last night... I suppose there is already a possibility of a generation that doesn't know coaster brakes. There may very well be one that doesn't know rim brakes some day.


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Is the rim branded as 'shittie'?
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Is the rim branded as 'shittie'?
Truth in advertising?
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