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"HOLE!" Don't be that guy

Old 07-19-21, 02:15 PM
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Best option:
puller pays the F attention and takes good lines while each rider behind follows good line the leader takes.

2nd best:
hand on same side as obstacle while you miss it. If you use right hand folks know to go left around something. Audible and visual signal if someone disobeyed the best option.

Honestly, lots of more Fred-like groups can’t hold a wheel for crap and wander the road like a chicken in a yard. I have fewest issues in team rotation workouts. Everyone at a good skill and taking good lines.
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Old 07-19-21, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
What’s the deal with bunny hops? It’s just a z-axis swerve. Sometimes necessary, it shouldn’t cause any issues for riders around you.
The bunnyhop itself isn't disruptive, it's that it gives the rider behind zero warning - just POOF: You're in a hole. But if I find that I've had zero warning, yeah - I'm going to 'hop it.
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Old 07-19-21, 02:40 PM
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I love my club but it's too big for its britches and it may be time to take my rides private.
No concerns that your privates will be too big for your britches?
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Old 07-19-21, 02:41 PM
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No concerns that your privates will be too big for your britches?
I am quite self aware and this is NOT a concern. Trust me on this one.
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Old 07-19-21, 03:33 PM
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If nobody does things like you think they should be done, ride alone or stay at the front. The latter of course will leave open to some who doesn't brake the way you think they should.
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Old 07-19-21, 03:49 PM
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Shouldn't this thread be merged with the "We're going to yell at you" thread? It's basically a subsidiary of the former.
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Old 07-19-21, 04:29 PM
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While we're *****ing,

also don't be that guy who leads the line through the debris and divots at the pavement edge, even when the road has no traffic.
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Old 07-19-21, 04:53 PM
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How so ? It's the appropriate thing to do sometimes.
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......., I hear "Get ready to bunnyhop" (which I avoid at all costs, that royally screws the riders behind me).
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Old 07-19-21, 08:58 PM
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During group rides the only voice commands used were: Car Back, Tracks, and in case of an emergency stop, Stopping. All other signals were by hand, and each rider would signal the person behind, so there were no missed signals. We also had a signals for tracks and stopping. There was no discussion on what to use or why, everyone just used them as common courtesy.

If a person insists of calling out Hole, they need to call out whether its right of left or get schooled on proper etiquette
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Old 07-19-21, 09:19 PM
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TBH I think people point and call random stuff for no reason, like just take a good line and the person on your wheel will be fine.
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Old 07-20-21, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Zaskar View Post
Calling out holes in a group is a good thing. But doing so without pointing is close to useless. A hand signal - even silent (but combo is ideal) - works so much better. The point, the gravel sign, move left, etc. just so much more helpful. When I hear "HOLE!" without any L/R indication, I hear "Get ready to bunnyhop" (which I avoid at all costs, that royally screws the riders behind me).
we normally ride in a double pace line, so simply calling “hole left” or “hole right” is of limited use. What’s “left” to the right-hand line is “right” to the left hand line. I’ve started calling “left”, “right” or “center” to indicate the location of the hazard wrt the group as a whole.
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Old 07-20-21, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Litespud View Post
we normally ride in a double pace line, so simply calling “hole left” or “hole right” is of limited use. What’s “left” to the right-hand line is “right” to the left hand line. I’ve started calling “left”, “right” or “center” to indicate the location of the hazard wrt the group as a whole.
That's why pointing works.

Side note: I pointed and called "Hole!" (it was a crater) on a ride a couple years ago. We were in a village kinda setting, not going fast and happened to be passing a woman on the sidewalk. She turned and looked at us with an "Oh no you ditint jus call me that!" look on her face. I did a U-turn, rode back and told her I said "hole". I got the "a-ight a-ight" but no smile.
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Old 07-20-21, 08:44 AM
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The roads here in Illinois are terrible and I ride with lots of groups so I have several opinions here:
1. You don't need to call out every hole, but you should call out the particularly large ones right in the way and point. If you're leading you should also lead the group around the hole.
2. It's often a bad idea to ride directly behind the rider in front of you to the extent that you are 100% blind to oncoming hazards. I generally (there are exceptions) ride a couple of inches to the left of their wheel. Exceptions: we're really drilling it or I'm very familiar with the road. In those cases I'll fully tuck in.
3. Calling out any hazard should be the rare exception, not the rule. I use hand signals the vast, vast majority of the time. Having someone in the group constantly yelling about minor hazards gets really annoying and detracts from calling out the real hazards.
4. I almost never call out "car back" unless the road is particularly narrow, a rider is coming off the front of a long group and can't see all the way back or we're coming up to a particularly sketchy turn and I'm on the back of the group. The people I ride with are alert and experienced, they know when a car is coming.

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Old 07-20-21, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Litespud View Post
we normally ride in a double pace line, so simply calling “hole left” or “hole right” is of limited use. What’s “left” to the right-hand line is “right” to the left hand line. I’ve started calling “left”, “right” or “center” to indicate the location of the hazard wrt the group as a whole.
???

"hole left" is of limited use but "left" isn't?
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Old 07-20-21, 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
???

"hole left" is of limited use but "left" isn't?
🙄 for the purposes of typing on my phone, I used “left” instead of typing out “hole left”, “hole right”, “hole center”. Sorry I wasn’t sufficiently literal for you
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Old 07-20-21, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Zaskar View Post
That's why pointing works.

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The rider 6 places back isn’t going to see my hand signal - he will, however, hear my voice 👍
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Old 07-20-21, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Litespud View Post
🙄 for the purposes of typing on my phone, I used “left” instead of typing out “hole left”, “hole right”, “hole center”. Sorry I wasn’t sufficiently literal for you
That's not the problem (I got that you just dropped the "hole").

​You wrote "saying hole left is of limited use" and then recommended saying "hole left".

Originally Posted by Litespud View Post
we normally ride in a double pace line, so simply calling “hole left” or “hole right” is of limited use. What’s “left” to the Right-hand line is “right” to the left hand line.
Don't say "hole left".

Originally Posted by Litespud View Post
I’ve started calling “<hole> left”, “<hole> right” or “<hole> center” to indicate the location of the hazard wrt the group as a whole.
Do say "hole left".

​​​​​​???

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Old 07-20-21, 10:13 PM
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The only reason I call "car back" or "car passing" is because on most group rides there's always that one guy drifting into the adjacent lane, or on the line between lanes, and not moving over for passing vehicles. That just annoys drivers who don't need another reason to dislike cyclists.

But it rarely does any good. That same guy will persist in drifting into the other lane or riding on the line between lanes. Or blocking the other lane at stops.
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Old 07-21-21, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Litespud View Post
The rider 6 places back isn’t going to see my hand signal - he will, however, hear my voice 👍
Did you catch my comment in the original post - "...combo is ideal"? Also, I'd expect (hope) a couple of the other guys behind you would also point it out.
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Old 07-21-21, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Zaskar View Post
Did you catch my comment in the original post - "...combo is ideal"? Also, I'd expect (hope) a couple of the other guys behind you would also point it out.
so would I - but actually calling out the obstacle takes “hope” and “expectation” out of the equation 👍
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Old 07-21-21, 08:48 PM
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People have opinions about whether it's OK to yell "glass", even though they can't/don't specify where the glass is?
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Old 07-22-21, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by big john View Post
How about the blood curdling "car back" for EVERY car that comes by? There are times when it's appropriate, of course.
Man! There’s a woman in our club that does that. You can be riding on a fairly busy road and she’s saying “car back” constantly.
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Old 07-22-21, 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by MinnMan View Post
People have opinions about whether it's OK to yell "glass", even though they can't/don't specify where the glass is?
BAck in my yute that was the only thing that was called out on a group ride. And no hand signals were ever used. You followed the wheel ahead of you and that was it. When "glass" was shouted out the group slowed and fanned out, gloves to tires, then regrouped. Thats when everyone was riding sew-ups.
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