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Peloton vs Cycling

Old 08-04-21, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by GlennR
I've got 2 friends that are killers on spin bikes... they suck on a road bike. They can't climb for *****. Both are certified spin instructors.
it all depends how you use an indoor bike. A good smart trainer can simulate climbing very accurately. Your friends are probably not using it the same way.
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Originally Posted by mattcalifornia
That probably has more to do with the fact that most spin classes are geared toward high cadence interval training rather than slow grinds than anything to do with upper body strength. There are other types of classes and indoor training that are better prep for climbing. Also, what type of hills are you talking about? If you are talking about 100' climbs out of the saddle (I see you live in LI), then upper body strength would matter a lot more than 2000' climbs in the saddle.
Yes... there are no mountains on Long Island. 5%-8% for maybe a mile is a long climb.
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Originally Posted by GlennR
I've got 2 friends that are killers on spin bikes... they suck on a road bike. They can't climb for *****. Both are certified spin instructors.
I don't doubt it.
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Old 08-04-21, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by mattcalifornia
I don't understand that at all. Wind just adds resistance, which you can replicate indoors by . . . . increasing the resistance
Indoors...you cannot replicate wind, the weight of the rider or the weight of the bike against the wind. Especially riding up a hill. There is no comparison. Increasing the resistance is not the same.
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Originally Posted by prj71
Indoors...you cannot replicate wind, the weight of the rider or the weight of the bike against the wind. Especially riding up a hill. There is no comparison. Increasing the resistance is not the same.
if I'm doing 270w, it's 270w whether I'm inside, riding into the wind, riding up the hill, etc. for all intents and purposes, it's the same
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Originally Posted by prj71
Indoors...you cannot replicate wind, the weight of the rider or the weight of the bike against the wind. Especially riding up a hill. There is no comparison. Increasing the resistance is not the same.
It's literally just wattage. Pushing against the wind requires more watts. Lifting your weight against gravity requires more watts. Increasing the resistance on an indoor trainer requires more watts. It's just physics, man.
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Old 08-04-21, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by hubcyclist
if I'm doing 270w, it's 270w whether I'm inside, riding into the wind, riding up the hill, etc. for all intents and purposes, it's the same
Different muscle groups.

If all you care about is below the waist then spin is fine.

BTW, my road bike doesn't have a flywheel like a spin bike.
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Old 08-04-21, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Different muscle groups.

If all you care about is below the waist then spin is fine.
It's like you don't realize cycling is actually a cardiovascular sport and muscles have little to do with how well one cycles.
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Old 08-04-21, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Different muscle groups.

If all you care about is below the waist then spin is fine.

BTW, my road bike doesn't have a flywheel like a spin bike.
If you're delivering 270 watts into your cranks, you're delivering 270 watts into your cranks. It's the same whether I'm on a Peloton in my garage, a 50-pound beach cruiser, a tricycle, a fat bike or a $12,000 lightweight racing bike climbing the Stelvio. Again, standing sprints or short climbs use somewhat different muscles, but you don't stand much on long climbs anyway. Watts are watts.
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Originally Posted by hubcyclist
It's like you don't realize cycling is actually a cardiovascular sport and muscles have little to do with how well one cycles.
pretty much (until I run out of low gears - which happens more often than I would like)
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Originally Posted by hubcyclist
if I'm doing 270w, it's 270w whether I'm inside, riding into the wind, riding up the hill, etc. for all intents and purposes, it's the same
Sort of.
On the trainer it always feels harder for me to achieve the same power as outdoors.
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Originally Posted by Dean V
Sort of.
On the trainer it always feels harder for me to achieve the same power as outdoors.
that's a function of cooling and air circulation indoors, I use 3 powerful fans inside (lasko pro performance) and my power matches both inside and out pretty closely
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Spin bikes don't work the upper body.
​​​​​​Right, but neither do road bikes is where my confusion comes from. I think there's a different reason behind what you saw. 🙂
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Old 08-04-21, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by hubcyclist
if I'm doing 270w, it's 270w whether I'm inside, riding into the wind, riding up the hill, etc. for all intents and purposes, it's the same
The power is the same. But the effort is different.
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Originally Posted by hubcyclist
that's a function of cooling and air circulation indoors, I use 3 powerful fans inside (lasko pro performance) and my power matches both inside and out pretty closely
I like to sweat my a** off when I ride indoors. There's something cathartic about it. However, I drink a full 24-ounce bottle of electrolyte drink every 30 minutes when I ride indoors. It requires some mopping when I'm done ; )
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Originally Posted by hubcyclist
It's like you don't realize cycling is actually a cardiovascular sport and muscles have little to do with how well one cycles.
Skeletal muscles are an important part of the system. It's where oxygen combines with fuel to produce power. It's where the hard working mitochondria live. It's where the capillaries live that carry that oxygen-rich blood to the muscle fibers.
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yeah, but that's all due to development as a result of aerobic exercise, the comments above try to assert that somehow people are weaker climbers because they aren't using their upper body muscles on a stationary bike, versus the reality that people probably aren't don't have the power to weight to be strong uphill riders.
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Originally Posted by hubcyclist
It's like you don't realize cycling is actually a cardiovascular sport and muscles have little to do with how well one cycles.
Then why did my thighs get so much larger that I needed to buy different jeans to fit into?
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Originally Posted by mattcalifornia
If you're delivering 270 watts into your cranks, you're delivering 270 watts into your cranks. It's the same whether I'm on a Peloton in my garage, a 50-pound beach cruiser, a tricycle, a fat bike or a $12,000 lightweight racing bike climbing the Stelvio. Again, standing sprints or short climbs use somewhat different muscles, but you don't stand much on long climbs anyway. Watts are watts.
Again on a spin bike there is very little above the waist. Watts is only one metric.
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Then why did my thighs get so much larger that I needed to buy different jeans to fit into?
beats me, I haven't had to change pants in the 8 years since I lost weight cycling and I've certainly only gotten stronger as a cyclist in that time.
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Again on a spin bike there is very little above the waist. Watts is only one metric.
You seem to keep arguing that you need a lot of upper body strength to be a good climber. Have you ever seen the upper bodies of pro riders who aren't sprinters? Here's Chris Froome


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Originally Posted by GlennR
Then why did my thighs get so much larger that I needed to buy different jeans to fit into?
​​​​​​Do you wear jeans on your upper body? This is really confusing.
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Originally Posted by GlennR
Again on a spin bike there is very little above the waist. Watts is only one metric.
What are the other metrics?
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Originally Posted by Wrecks24
Would you say that one could get more out of a stationary bike than actually cycling? If I ride my Peloton for 20 miles, my legs are burning the entire time as where when I am road biking the same mileage is no where near the workout. Of course this is because coasting and down hill stints. With the Peloton that 20 miles is consistant from begining to end.
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I googled it, and it seems a Peloton weighs 135lbs. So you can get the same workout if you get a 135lb road bike.
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Originally Posted by mattcalifornia
What are the other metrics?
Heart rate and breath rate.

I bet more people have a heat rate monitor than have power meters.

My heart rate was always lower on a spin bike and when I spoke to the instructor, she was not surprised.
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