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Cleanest way to exit a paceline

Old 03-28-22, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Youre right, I definitely misused the word paceline. The packs are a mess and I wonder if trying to proactively make lateral movements to exit the ride is worse than just "sitting up" and forcing others to go around you. Someone thanked me for how I exited spectrum 2 weeks ago, he was trying to pass me on the right so I signaled im going right and boxed him out, then a rider the group was passing appeared so I yelled "rider right" and went into the gravel. He thanked me for doing so, I was on my single speed cross bike and got caught up in the group so I was happy to exit
This used to be a common occurrence for me, when I rode the routes where races sometimes take place. One never actually knows whether or not it's a race, but in those days I was friendly with some of the riders and so felt comfortable melting in. The last one I melted into had a rider in the front third just sit up, and remove his hands from the bars. I seemed to be the only one who noticed. Perhaps this rider alway did this. I don't know. But I went from steadily moving forward to abruptly dropping back and sending them on their way. I was on the outside anyway, since it wasn't really my group to be in. I was just there, having been overtaken.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Someone thanked me for how I exited spectrum 2 weeks ago, he was trying to pass me on the right so I signaled im going right and boxed him out, then a rider the group was passing appeared so I yelled "rider right" and went into the gravel. He thanked me for doing so, I was on my single speed cross bike and got caught up in the group so I was happy to exit
Someone thanked you for leaving a group ride by going off into the gravel? I think you should think about this for a while ...
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Originally Posted by BillyD
I really wish you guys wouldn't drag stuff in from other threads.
Why is that a problem?
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To answer the OP seriously, I think you're misunderstanding the point of the original comment. If you're in an orderly paceline, it shouldn't be so hard that you're going to blow up, even on the "working line". The only time that you should be anywhere close to blowing up is when you're on the front, and in that case, the proper thing to do is just pull off like normal and when your turn to hop to the working line is coming up, you let the guy in front of you know that he can get over ahead of you. Depending on the ride, it might be acceptable to hang onto the back of the non-working line until you recover. Its way uncool to try to enter the working line and then let a gap form in front of you.

What you're describing is more of a race-type ride I think, where there's no established rotation, except for the very front of the group, and usually those have more of a race-type vibe where you're not really compelled to work unless you want to. Really the only rule there is to be smooth and don't do anything abrupt. If you're in the middle of a big group with people on either side and you can't keep the pace, the only way you're getting out of the group is from the back, and you don't need to signal or anything. You'll be too tired to do that anyways.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Why is that a problem?
It is really frowned upon by the authorities. Don't ask me how I know.
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Originally Posted by datlas
It is really frowned upon by the authorities. Don't ask me how I know.
Sure, I realize that. But, why?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Sure, I realize that. But, why?
I would defer to the mods, but my impression is it's because it can fan the flames of drama, possibly?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Sure, I realize that. But, why?
Originally Posted by datlas
I would defer to the mods, but my impression is it's because it can fan the flames of drama, possibly?
I think that there are a couple of reasons. It's partly to quarantine a beef to one thread instead of letting it spread to many. It's also a measure against recruitment from one thread to another by people actively looking for others to help pile on. In this case, well, I dunno. It's kind of hard to ignore the OP's history, the earnestness of which is suspect, at best.
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Obviously, the best place to exit a pace line without disrupting the group is the front or the back, But sometimes when things are just too hard, you’re in a situation you can’t keep holding the wheel in front, and you don’t want to disrupt the group.

In this situation, signal to the guy behind you to come up, move off the line to the side it’s rotating, and use your last strength to accelerate up even with the bike in front. Thus the rider behind you fills in your gap in the draft with little or no disruption to the group.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
I don't drink and group ride and dangle a helmet on my bars to put on for the group ride, safety first always
That triggered a memory. Back in the early '90s, a friend of mine was hanging around in the parking lot at a race, waiting for his cat 3 event to come up, when a cat 1 he knew rolled up and said, "I just rode a couple of hours to get here. Can I borrow your helmet?" My friend said, "Why don't you have your helmet?" The cat 1 clown looked at him pityingly and said, "Where was I supposed to put it?"
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I think that there are a couple of reasons. It's partly to quarantine a beef to one thread instead of letting it spread to many. It's also a measure against recruitment from one thread to another by people actively looking for others to help pile on. In this case, well, I dunno. It's kind of hard to ignore the OP's history, the earnestness of which is suspect, at best.
Also, if your point is to comment on the main thesis of another thread, why not just stay in that thread? If you're going to derail it by making it all about you, that's different, but, if you just want to get clarification about what someone is saying, ask them there. That way there aren't like 27 threads about the same thing and a lot of people confused because they can't remember in which one they made what comment and some people who have only read some of them and it just gets to be a giant mess.
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Mar 2021. Hard to believe this has been going on for a year. Kinda like, you know.... Inexplicable.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I think that there are a couple of reasons. It's partly to quarantine a beef to one thread instead of letting it spread to many. It's also a measure against recruitment from one thread to another by people actively looking for others to help pile on. In this case, well, I dunno. It's kind of hard to ignore the OP's history, the earnestness of which is suspect, at best.
Nobody wants quarantined beef.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Obviously, the best place to exit a pace line without disrupting the group is the front or the back, But sometimes when things are just too hard, you’re in a situation you can’t keep holding the wheel in front, and you don’t want to disrupt the group.

In this situation, signal to the guy behind you to come up, move off the line to the side it’s rotating, and use your last strength to accelerate up even with the bike in front. Thus the rider behind you fills in your gap in the draft with little or no disruption to the group.
I've seen the ride he's talking about, and it's not even remotely a paceline. It's a disorganized pack of really fast riders which behaves more like a race.
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Is that the one where everyone blows through red lights and a poster was on here a year or so back asking about how he could get this 100+ rider group ride with race-like tendencies the he liked to ride with to stop?
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You ride like bloody hell until you are at the front, then ride a steady pace till you pull off. Learned this on the velodrome when I was 15yrs old. The nations best congregated at the Northbrook velodrome for several weeks of intense racing in and around the national championships. Hopped on my Schwinn Paramount for some practice laps and before I knew it I'm in a paceline that wrapped 1/2 way around the track. I was also on the wheel of the would be Senior mens Pursuit champion. Steady as she goes, with just centimeters between wheels, I had to just bare it out. Some guys would take full lap pulls others half lap. I was desperate to get out but had to hang tough for 20-25 laps. Finally I was second in line, then first, took my half lap pull, jerked my elbow and went up the banking. Whew!
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Originally Posted by himespau
Is that the one where everyone blows through red lights and a poster was on here a year or so back asking about how he could get this 100+ rider group ride with race-like tendencies the he liked to ride with to stop?
Probably. It's infamous around here.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
Probably. It's infamous around here.
foolish of someone to think that they could police a ride like spectrum
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Originally Posted by Phatman
Really the only rule there is to be smooth and don't do anything abrupt. If you're in the middle of a big group with people on either side and you can't keep the pace, the only way you're getting out of the group is from the back, and you don't need to signal or anything. You'll be too tired to do that anyways.
Thanks for your response. I kind of feel like holding my line and making others pass on both sides is more disruptive than finding a way to peel off, but of course a sudden lateral movement is not ideal even if signaled. Either works I think
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Thanks for your response. I kind of feel like holding my line and making others pass on both sides is more disruptive than finding a way to peel off, but of course a sudden lateral movement is not ideal even if signaled. Either works I think
I think it's okay if you slow down gradually. The group will just swarm past you and you'll be spit out the back. If you think about it, that's how it works in races - somebody can't hold the power and everyone just passes them.

Suddenly slowing in mid-pack would be really disruptive. OTOH, the other riders in the Spectrum ride must be used to riders blowing up and dropping back.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
foolish of someone to think that they could police a ride like spectrum
The police can police a ride like that. They did it here.
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Originally Posted by Phatman
The only time that you should be anywhere close to blowing up is when you're on the front,
This. If you can't hang in the pack, then you've picked the wrong ride. Hence my earlier post in this thread:

Originally Posted by Koyote
You're in the wrong group ride.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
In the "we're going to yell at you" thread, homeboy claims you have to wait until you are at the front before pulling off to avoid leaving a gap??? but to me this sounds like nonsense.
116 pages of nonsense!
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
This happens to me pretty frequently, the top third of the group is the easiest place to be so I try to get there, but then sometimes there are 50 cyclists behind me and im tired and want an out for everyones safety.
So in other words, it's not "the easiest place to be"
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