Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Road Cycling
Reload this Page >

Keep getting dropped

Notices
Road Cycling “It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle.” -- Ernest Hemingway

Keep getting dropped

Old 08-05-22, 11:23 AM
  #1  
LarrySellerz
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,326
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1756 Post(s)
Liked 331 Times in 238 Posts
Keep getting dropped

Hey guys, yesterday I got dropped 4 times in two separate group rides. One of them dropped me 3 times, they kept dropping me then pulling off of the main road to do a hill or something and then come pass me again. Getting dropped on these rides is normal and not something to be ashamed about, but its kind of disheartening to get wrecked like that. The most egregious was when they passed me on a false flat and I wasn't even able to grab onto the tail of the group, should have saved more to put out an effort when the last guys passed I guess. Some French cat 2 dude also got dropped there and he said lots of people got dropped on that ride and I shouldn't feel bad. Maybe I shouldn't even bother with the groups that I know are faster than I can handle, but its so convenient, they are on my way to and from work. Have any of you experienced getting chronically dropped from faster groups?

Last edited by LarrySellerz; 08-05-22 at 11:27 AM.
LarrySellerz is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 11:28 AM
  #2  
Sy Reene
Advocatus Diaboli
 
Sy Reene's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Wherever I am
Posts: 8,110

Bikes: Merlin Cyrene, Nashbar steel CX

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4384 Post(s)
Liked 1,320 Times in 859 Posts
Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Have any of you experienced getting chronically dropped from faster groups?
how bizarre. I can't imagine how that could happen.
Sy Reene is offline  
Likes For Sy Reene:
Old 08-05-22, 11:32 AM
  #3  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,330

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 353 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20610 Post(s)
Liked 9,279 Times in 4,595 Posts
Weren't you just talking smack in another thread about how great and strong you are as a cyclist?
WhyFi is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 11:38 AM
  #4  
seypat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,892
Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2747 Post(s)
Liked 1,916 Times in 1,197 Posts
Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Hey guys, yesterday I got dropped 4 times in two separate group rides. One of them dropped me 3 times, they kept dropping me then pulling off of the main road to do a hill or something and then come pass me again. Getting dropped on these rides is normal and not something to be ashamed about, but its kind of disheartening to get wrecked like that. The most egregious was when they passed me on a false flat and I wasn't even able to grab onto the tail of the group, should have saved more to put out an effort when the last guys passed I guess. Some French cat 2 dude also got dropped there and he said lots of people got dropped on that ride and I shouldn't feel bad. Maybe I shouldn't even bother with the groups that I know are faster than I can handle, but its so convenient, they are on my way to and from work. Have any of you experienced getting chronically dropped from faster groups?
You need to find a slower group until you're doing the dropping.
seypat is offline  
Likes For seypat:
Old 08-05-22, 11:41 AM
  #5  
himespau 
Senior Member
 
himespau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 13,145
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3664 Post(s)
Liked 2,465 Times in 1,466 Posts
I don't suppose you started with them so they knew and trusted you did you?
himespau is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 11:42 AM
  #6  
Chuck M 
Happy With My Bike
 
Chuck M's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1,390

Bikes: Hi-Ten bike boomers, a Trek Domane and some projects

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 526 Post(s)
Liked 1,284 Times in 637 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Weren't you just talking smack in another thread about how great and strong you are as a cyclist?
Perhaps either that post or this one is satire. I really can’t tell until the OP points it out for us.
__________________
"It is the unknown around the corner that turns my wheels." -- Heinz Stücke

Chuck M is offline  
Likes For Chuck M:
Old 08-05-22, 11:46 AM
  #7  
fishboat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2016
Location: SE Wisconsin
Posts: 1,677

Bikes: Lemond '01 Maillot Jaune, Lemond '02 Victoire, Lemond '03 Poprad, Lemond '03 Wayzata DB conv(Poprad), '79 AcerMex Windsor Carrera Professional(pur new), '88 GT Tequesta(pur new), '01 Bianchi Grizzly, 1993 Trek 970 DB conv, Trek 8900 DB conv

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 649 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 669 Times in 384 Posts
"Maybe I shouldn't even bother with the groups that I know are faster than I can handle.."

Well, there's an epiphany.

(You get dropped here daily and sadly you keep returning.)
fishboat is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 11:46 AM
  #8  
LarrySellerz
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,326
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1756 Post(s)
Liked 331 Times in 238 Posts
Originally Posted by seypat View Post
You need to find a slower group until you're doing the dropping.
As far as I know there are 15 group rides a week near where I live and its the same dudes for the most part (two of the groups are a bit different) just some of the rides are a lot faster while others are "recovery." That being said I know the routes and if im riding in the general vicinity of one of these rides I feel compelled to atleast show up and try.
LarrySellerz is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 11:49 AM
  #9  
LarrySellerz
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,326
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1756 Post(s)
Liked 331 Times in 238 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
Weren't you just talking smack in another thread about how great and strong you are as a cyclist?
I was talking smack to that Australian dude who rides in dirt, id be impressed if he could keep up here. Im not a great cyclist by any means but im decent
LarrySellerz is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 11:54 AM
  #10  
msu2001la
Senior Member
 
msu2001la's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Midwest
Posts: 2,305
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1101 Post(s)
Liked 1,103 Times in 652 Posts
Did you try dialing it up to 400 watts?
msu2001la is offline  
Likes For msu2001la:
Old 08-05-22, 11:57 AM
  #11  
N2deep
Full Member
 
N2deep's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 201
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 77 Post(s)
Liked 88 Times in 57 Posts
The problem is not getting dropped, it's not trying!! I had to laugh at myself more than once for jumping out with the young hammer heads only to get dropped within about 5 miles and to recover as the older group caught up and I jumped into the back to finish the ride. Heck, once I was dropped on a 60 mile ride by the hammerheads and the last guy in the fast group was riding and e-bike, too funny. I might be slow but still lapping the guys on the couch!
N2deep is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 12:05 PM
  #12  
Seattle Forrest
Senior Member
 
Seattle Forrest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Seattle, WA
Posts: 23,208
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18879 Post(s)
Liked 10,638 Times in 6,049 Posts
You need Carbon Wheels Optimized for 28mm Tires!
Seattle Forrest is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 12:07 PM
  #13  
WhyFi
Senior Member
 
WhyFi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: TC, MN
Posts: 39,330

Bikes: R3 Disc, Haanjo

Mentioned: 353 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 20610 Post(s)
Liked 9,279 Times in 4,595 Posts
Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
I was talking smack to that Australian dude who rides in dirt, id be impressed if he could keep up here. Im not a great cyclist by any means but im decent
I'm talking about -

"I don't want to argue with you about who is faster but I cycle a lot too, 300 mile weeks are not uncommon, I ride with cat 1s and former pros all the time, used to cycle delivering food for a living, dont own a car etc etc."
WhyFi is offline  
Likes For WhyFi:
Old 08-05-22, 12:08 PM
  #14  
seypat
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 7,892
Mentioned: 67 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2747 Post(s)
Liked 1,916 Times in 1,197 Posts
Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
As far as I know there are 15 group rides a week near where I live and its the same dudes for the most part (two of the groups are a bit different) just some of the rides are a lot faster while others are "recovery." That being said I know the routes and if im riding in the general vicinity of one of these rides I feel compelled to atleast show up and try.
You either get dropped, or you don't. That's life, learn to deal with it. I'm a slow climber, and overall mediocre endurance athlete. It's really humbling to get smoked by a bent over old geezer with a limp, or a 11 year old kid in a 5-10k run. Several years ago I did a duathlon with a fellow BF member 6 or 7 years older than I. He'd been an elite runner BITD. He hadn't ran in a couple of years and didn't run any before the event. Still smoked me by 2 or 3 minutes on the 5k run. I think I was in next to last place at the first transition in front of an obese person. In March of this year as I was crossing the finish line of a half marathon, the leader of the full marathon that started a few corrals/waves in front came flying by. He collapsed about 50 yards from the finish line and had to receive medical attention. He ran the full in the same time I ran the half.

You either have the talent for a particular endeavor, or you don't. Deal with it.

Last edited by seypat; 08-05-22 at 12:15 PM.
seypat is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 12:08 PM
  #15  
LarrySellerz
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,326
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1756 Post(s)
Liked 331 Times in 238 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I'm talking about -

"I don't want to argue with you about who is faster but I cycle a lot too, 300 mile weeks are not uncommon, I ride with cat 1s and former pros all the time, used to cycle delivering food for a living, dont own a car etc etc."
Yeah I was engaged in a stupid pissing contest, all of those things are true but im still getting dropped
LarrySellerz is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 12:10 PM
  #16  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 12,936

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7268 Post(s)
Liked 7,745 Times in 3,947 Posts
So, apparently being bigger than most of them didn't help on the flats?
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Likes For genejockey:
Old 08-05-22, 12:11 PM
  #17  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 12,936

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7268 Post(s)
Liked 7,745 Times in 3,947 Posts
Originally Posted by WhyFi View Post
I'm talking about -

"I don't want to argue with you about who is faster but I cycle a lot too, 300 mile weeks are not uncommon, I ride with cat 1s and former pros all the time, used to cycle delivering food for a living, dont own a car etc etc."
To be fair, this may still be true, even if it's only very briefly.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Likes For genejockey:
Old 08-05-22, 12:13 PM
  #18  
Mojo31
-------
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Location: Tejas
Posts: 8,983
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6817 Post(s)
Liked 4,270 Times in 2,327 Posts
Don't you have to be a part of the group to get dropped by said group?

Sounds like ole Lar was just tagging on without an invitation.
Mojo31 is offline  
Likes For Mojo31:
Old 08-05-22, 12:16 PM
  #19  
LarrySellerz
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,326
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1756 Post(s)
Liked 331 Times in 238 Posts
Originally Posted by genejockey View Post
So, apparently being bigger than most of them didn't help on the flats?
I gained time on the group chasing them on canada and going down alpine but it wasn't enough to close the gap and catch the draft. On canada I was on the side of the road smoking weed and had to put my stuff away and on alpine they were up the road and I chased a long time, I thought I was going to catch them for a bit there
LarrySellerz is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 12:19 PM
  #20  
LarrySellerz
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Mar 2021
Posts: 1,326
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1756 Post(s)
Liked 331 Times in 238 Posts
Originally Posted by Mojo31 View Post
Don't you have to be a part of the group to get dropped by said group?

Sounds like ole Lar was just tagging on without an invitation.
there is no invitation, and yeah they all know me. Sometimes a few of them get salty and try to bully me if I don't have a helmet but I try to bring one so its not often a problem. Its not one of those weird clubs with wavers and rules and freds who come out on the weekend.
LarrySellerz is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 12:23 PM
  #21  
popeye
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Newport Beach, CA
Posts: 1,916

Bikes: S works Tarmac, Felt TK2 track

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 354 Post(s)
Liked 164 Times in 103 Posts
If you keep it up you will find you get dropped less and less and soon you will be able to suck wheel for the entire ride. Then you will find yourself hanging mid pack and contributing to pulls. That is if you want to get faster but we all have our own goals. My other nic is "don't wait for me *** ".
popeye is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 12:30 PM
  #22  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 12,936

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7268 Post(s)
Liked 7,745 Times in 3,947 Posts
Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
Yeah I was engaged in a stupid pissing contest, all of those things are true but im still getting dropped
That's life on the road. They might not be riding more than you but their training is a lot more focused, and they're a lot lighter and riding better bikes. I'd guess you're burning matches just to hang with them on the flat, so as soon as there's any incline, you're falling back and as soon as you're even a little OTB, that's all she wrote.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Likes For genejockey:
Old 08-05-22, 12:30 PM
  #23  
himespau 
Senior Member
 
himespau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Louisville, KY
Posts: 13,145
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3664 Post(s)
Liked 2,465 Times in 1,466 Posts
You know, maybe if you spent less time smoking a J on the side of the road waiting for them, your lungs will be in better shape to help you get dropped less. Just a thought.
himespau is offline  
Likes For himespau:
Old 08-05-22, 12:36 PM
  #24  
datlas 
Should Be More Popular
 
datlas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Malvern, PA (20 miles West of Philly)
Posts: 39,889

Bikes: 1986 Alpine (steel road bike), 2009 Ti Habenero, 2013 Specialized Roubaix

Mentioned: 539 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 19558 Post(s)
Liked 6,222 Times in 3,015 Posts
Hi! What's the thread about??
__________________
Originally Posted by rjones28 View Post
Addiction is all about class.
datlas is offline  
Old 08-05-22, 12:37 PM
  #25  
genejockey 
Klaatu..Verata..Necktie?
 
genejockey's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 12,936

Bikes: Litespeed Ultimate, Ultegra; Canyon Endurace, 105; Battaglin MAX, Chorus; Bianchi 928 Veloce; Ritchey Road Logic, Dura Ace; Cannondale R500 RX100; Schwinn Circuit, Sante; Lotus Supreme, Dura Ace

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7268 Post(s)
Liked 7,745 Times in 3,947 Posts
Originally Posted by LarrySellerz View Post
I gained time on the group chasing them on canada and going down alpine but it wasn't enough to close the gap and catch the draft. On canada I was on the side of the road smoking weed and had to put my stuff away and on alpine they were up the road and I chased a long time, I thought I was going to catch them for a bit there
They're riding along with the benefit of the draft and you're one guy who can't get very aero. Even if you burned enough matches to catch them, you probably couldn't hang on. You might catch them and immediately get spat out again. BTDT. Back in the early 2000s when I was riding with PenVelo, I was riding with the racer group and got split off on Portola. I chased them all the way to Willowbrook before catching them and instantly blew up. The bastard who'd been drafting me uninvited was able to catch them, though. At least he thanked me.
__________________
"Don't take life so serious-it ain't nohow permanent."

"Everybody's gotta be somewhere." - Eccles
genejockey is offline  
Likes For genejockey:

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.