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Old 03-10-23, 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by genejockey
This has been a 40-year debate, and like a lot of things it comes down to whether the individual listener can hear the difference. And it's really not possible to say definitively whether any individual does or not.
I would think any decent recording would sound great to my unsophisticated ear on a high end system like my friend has. But if some can hear the subtleties and are willing to pay for them I'm all for it.
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Six. Half of them are bike related.
None of my bicycles require a key to operate.
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What exciting stories or life experiences can you share?
This afternoon I stopped by the Cedar Bluff Knox County office, where they accept passport applications, and the woman at the door told me the next available scheduled appointment is in May.

I then went to the main post office, without an appointment, and 15 minutes later I was done. Crazy. #WorldTraveler
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Originally Posted by datlas
Speaking of vinyl, whither WhyFi ??
I asked this weeks ago and got pooh-poohed.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I suspect that's CDs falling out of favor in the age of streaming, combined with millennials with nostalgia for something they never experienced -- like the record changer playing the same side of the record for a couple hours while making out with someone when things are progressing and you don't want to stop to change the album and give them a chance to reconsider.

Or maybe that was just me.
Never was exactly that for me.

However, vinyls records have a specific retro appeal that is not matched by anything that came after. No one is (seriously) nostalgic about cassette tapes, and CDs aren't likely to get that either. Both are just swamped, yes, by streaming, which is fine for most purposes.
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Dumb.
Just data. Data is neither dumb, nor intelligent.
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I was noticing just yesterday that some instruments on a couple of my favorite CDs were sounding a little disappointing. I blame the Onkyo, my backup receiver. Need to find me an audio shop to get some work done on my preferred Yamaha receiver.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
would the headset only creak when I pedal?
It could, since people generally put pressure on the bars when they pedal.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
This has been a 40-year debate, and like a lot of things it comes down to whether the individual listener can hear the difference. And it's really not possible to say definitively whether any individual does or not.
I like to think I can hear a difference between vinyl and streamed music being played through my system, but I could just be fooling myself.

For me, a big part of the "vinyl experience" is the ritual of pulling out a record, cleaning it, spinning it, and enjoying a full side of an album, start to finish. The current digital music format has changed how people buy and listen to music. People tend to buy songs, not albums. They find a song they like, and are likely to listen to just that song from that artist. Vinyl invites you to listen to the artist, not just your favorite song.
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Originally Posted by ummed
It could, since people generally put pressure on the bars when they pedal.
This. So if you have a “BB” creak with each pedal stroke, first see if it still happens with either hands free or minimal “touch” on front bars. If still happens, that means front end (bars/stem/headset/front axle/skewer) are very unlikely culprits.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
No one is (seriously) nostalgic about cassette tapes, and CDs aren't likely to get that either.
I'm nostalgic about the cassette tape-listening era. I don't actively use one now, though
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Originally Posted by Eric F
For me, a big part of the "vinyl experience" is the ritual of pulling out a record, cleaning it, spinning it, and enjoying a full side of an album, start to finish. The current digital music format has changed how people buy and listen to music. People tend to buy songs, not albums. They find a song they like, and are likely to listen to just that song from that artist. Vinyl invites you to listen to the artist, not just your favorite song.
The vast majority of my music listening has been full albums, regardless of format. How it usually goes is I will listen to a streaming playlist until I land on an artist I'm in the mood for, then start one of their albums from the beginning.

Before streaming services I would do the same thing, but with my digital library either on my computer or iPod (RIP).

I like my small vinyl collection because since it's played through a discrete system I don't listen to all the time, albums can sound quite a bit different.

Plus I have a lot of cool colored ones
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Originally Posted by abshipp
The vast majority of my music listening has been full albums, regardless of format. How it usually goes is I will listen to a streaming playlist until I land on an artist I'm in the mood for, then start one of their albums from the beginning.

Before streaming services I would do the same thing, but with my digital library either on my computer or iPod (RIP).

I like my small vinyl collection because since it's played through a discrete system I don't listen to all the time, albums can sound quite a bit different.

Plus I have a lot of cool colored ones
I should have clarified...Younger folks tend to buy and listen to individual songs. I tend to listen to albums in digital format, too. However, I do enjoy the ability to pick a genre or an artist and get a mix of similar music. I've been introduced to a lot of stuff I really like that way.
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Originally Posted by big john
It might be interesting to compare the same recordings from various media on the same system just to know if I could hear the difference. My hearing is pretty bad but I do enjoy blasting some tunes on my cheesy headphones.
I fixed all the speakers in my (stock) car system but blew a couple of them out pretty quickly.

I do remember how bad the sound is on store bought cassette tapes. I have some which were made for me on a good tape machine and there is no comparison.
I have a master recording set of Jethro Tull's Aqualung that has vinyl, CD and DVD versions of the album. I have played the album and CD back to back and can here a noticable difference. That's with mid-level receiver/amp, a tube preamp for the turntable, and some very good speakers. I found the vinyl to sound richer and more nuanced, and the CD was brighter sounding.
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Originally Posted by big john
I would think any decent recording would sound great to my unsophisticated ear on a high end system like my friend has. But if some can hear the subtleties and are willing to pay for them I'm all for it.
It's like the differences between a Domane, Madone and Emonda. If each were set up the same, the average rider likely wouldn't know the difference.
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Originally Posted by datlas
This. So if you have a “BB” creak with each pedal stroke, first see if it still happens with either hands free or minimal “touch” on front bars. If still happens, that means front end (bars/stem/headset/front axle/skewer) are very unlikely culprits.
I've had creaks from pretty much everywhere imaginable on the bike, and some that aren't. The one that took the longest to find was my nipples were failing.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I like to think I can hear a difference between vinyl and streamed music being played through my system, but I could just be fooling myself.

For me, a big part of the "vinyl experience" is the ritual of pulling out a record, cleaning it, spinning it, and enjoying a full side of an album, start to finish. The current digital music format has changed how people buy and listen to music. People tend to buy songs, not albums. They find a song they like, and are likely to listen to just that song from that artist. Vinyl invites you to listen to the artist, not just your favorite song.
Albums used to be produced so there was a progression from one song to another.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
I like to think I can hear a difference between vinyl and streamed music being played through my system, but I could just be fooling myself.

For me, a big part of the "vinyl experience" is the ritual of pulling out a record, cleaning it, spinning it, and enjoying a full side of an album, start to finish. The current digital music format has changed how people buy and listen to music. People tend to buy songs, not albums. They find a song they like, and are likely to listen to just that song from that artist. Vinyl invites you to listen to the artist, not just your favorite song.
Though there was, or course, the era of 45s, where you'd buy a song, and get a B-side with it.
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Originally Posted by ummed
I've had creaks from pretty much everywhere imaginable on the bike, and some that aren't. The one that took the longest to find was my nipples were failing.
I hate it when my nipples fail.

On that note, I have a chirp on the mountain bike. It sounds like a spoke on the rear wheel but I haven't been able to duplicate it when I'm off the bike. I forget after I ride it until the next time I take it out.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
It's like the differences between a Domane, Madone and Emonda. If each were set up the same, the average rider likely wouldn't know the difference.
I was thinking of various bike analogies earlier but I'm not super picky about bikes, either. I don't think about my own cars so much but I can drive customer's cars and hone in on how they are running. Of course this is now a useless skill to me.
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I forget after I ride it until the next time I take it out.
I do that all the time. Mental notes just don't work for me anymore, so I try to add things to the to-do list on my phone while the thought is still fresh.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
I'm nostalgic about the cassette tape-listening era. I don't actively use one now, though
The era, or the technology?

You can be nostalgic about the era, of course. I doubt that in 20 years you'll be hunting down old cassette tapes in quirky stores, or that artists will be releasing albums on premium cassettes, or that anyone with a serious audio system will be using cassettes. However, in 20 years people will still be using vinyl. CDs may be even less popular as they lose any infrastructure even for cars.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
The era, or the technology?

You can be nostalgic about the era, of course. I doubt that in 20 years you'll be hunting down old cassette tapes in quirky stores, or that artists will be releasing albums on premium cassettes, or that anyone with a serious audio system will be using cassettes. However, in 20 years people will still be using vinyl. CDs may be even less popular as they lose any infrastructure even for cars.
Can you even buy a descent new cassette player?
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
The era, or the technology?

You can be nostalgic about the era, of course. I doubt that in 20 years you'll be hunting down old cassette tapes in quirky stores, or that artists will be releasing albums on premium cassettes, or that anyone with a serious audio system will be using cassettes. However, in 20 years people will still be using vinyl. CDs may be even less popular as they lose any infrastructure even for cars.
Cassettes were never a high fidelity medium, anyway. Mostly, they were for use in cars, or standing out under your girlfriend's window...
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
Can you even buy a descent new cassette player?
Eft if I know. Which is kinda the point.

When I was growing up, the purpose of cassettes had fallen to mix tapes (cd writers were rare) and cars, many of which lacked CD players. New music was bought on CD.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
I do that all the time. Mental notes just don't work for me anymore, so I try to add things to the to-do list on my phone while the thought is still fresh.
My C.R.S. is getting worse. I used to have a good memory. Sometimes I feel like maybe I don't care enough to try and remember something.
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