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Old 03-30-23, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Sooooooo not surprised.

So as I said last night, this rental Tiguan reminds me of the good parts of my GTI - the effortlessly stable and smooth highway driving and yet precise (if not nimble) handling. Is that a German thing, or just VW? I assume the Porsche SUVs are similar?
It's a VW/Audi/Porsche thing. When we take the Macan on the road, we can cruise effortlessly at 100 mph and in complete control. The handling on it is very precise. In fact, my wife and I have driven Macans on an autocross course, and it was surprising how good it was.

Yeah, no surprise on the Bronco. I've been wanting one since they were announced. Much smoother ride than the Jeep, and I got this one pretty nicely optioned with leather, etc. since I plan to keep it to one car for a while. Part of my scale back my work hours effort.

Hitch should be here tomorrow. Then I can use it for what it is - BTV.
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Originally Posted by datlas
We are planning a 130+ mile ride for tomorrow. Anyone care to join in the fun??
Only if by "tomorrow" you mean a two day event
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
It's a VW/Audi/Porsche thing. When we take the Macan on the road, we can cruise effortlessly at 100 mph and in complete control. The handling on it is very precise. In fact, my wife and I have driven Macans on an autocross course, and it was surprising how good it was.

Yeah, no surprise on the Bronco. I've been wanting one since they were announced. Much smoother ride than the Jeep, and I got this one pretty nicely optioned with leather, etc. since I plan to keep it to one car for a while. Part of my scale back my work hours effort.

Hitch should be here tomorrow. Then I can use it for what it is - BTV.
Is the Jeep gone?
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Originally Posted by big john
Is the Jeep gone?
Jeep is gone.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
It's a VW/Audi/Porsche thing. When we take the Macan on the road, we can cruise effortlessly at 100 mph and in complete control. The handling on it is very precise. In fact, my wife and I have driven Macans on an autocross course, and it was surprising how good it was.

Yeah, no surprise on the Bronco. I've been wanting one since they were announced. Much smoother ride than the Jeep, and I got this one pretty nicely optioned with leather, etc. since I plan to keep it to one car for a while. Part of my scale back my work hours effort.

Hitch should be here tomorrow. Then I can use it for what it is - BTV.
That German handling characteristic was vivid in my wife's '03 Jetta Wagon, too. Her current Benz C-series is similar, but somehow different. My kid's '07 GTI is an absolute blast to drive hard on twisty roads. 15-ish years ago, cruising across the desert between LA and Las Vegas, my bro-in-law had his new Jetta humming along at 130 for a little while. Totally comfortable and controlled.

I like those Broncos (the Bronco Sport looks sad, however). I'm currently on my second Explorer. I'm thinking that the next vehicle my company buys me will likely be a Bronco.
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Slow night. Everyone must be looking at Easter music.
I had the common sense to retire for the night at 10 PM. Nothing good happens after 10 o'clock.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
It's a VW/Audi/Porsche thing. When we take the Macan on the road, we can cruise effortlessly at 100 mph and in complete control. The handling on it is very precise. In fact, my wife and I have driven Macans on an autocross course, and it was surprising how good it was.

Yeah, no surprise on the Bronco. I've been wanting one since they were announced. Much smoother ride than the Jeep, and I got this one pretty nicely optioned with leather, etc. since I plan to keep it to one car for a while. Part of my scale back my work hours effort.

Hitch should be here tomorrow. Then I can use it for what it is - BTV.
Yeah moving out to CO I spent most of NE with the cruise at 88 and it was perfect. The GX is far from nervous or uncomfortable, but this Tiguan puts it in perspective. Mind, nothing will likely come of the thought - first priority is house by a mile, and even then it would. e hard to make a compelling case for the switch.

Every well-off male I know in Austin has or is seriously shopping for a Bronco. They're just multiplying in my circle. Hell even the tri shop owner got one, and I don't think he's even that well off. Replaced an ooooold X5.
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
I had the common sense to retire for the night at 10 PM. Nothing good happens after 10 o'clock.
All the best stuff happens after 10pm.

Unfortunately I'm too old for all that nonsense.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
That German handling characteristic was vivid in my wife's '03 Jetta Wagon, too. Her current Benz C-series is similar, but somehow different. My kid's '07 GTI is an absolute blast to drive hard on twisty roads. 15-ish years ago, cruising across the desert between LA and Las Vegas, my bro-in-law had his new Jetta humming along at 130 for a little while. Totally comfortable and controlled.

I like those Broncos (the Bronco Sport looks sad, however). I'm currently on my second Explorer. I'm thinking that the next vehicle my company buys me will likely be a Bronco.
It's funny - I think I preferred my old Civic on the twisty roads, but it was over half a ton lighter, with a manual steering rack. Definitely not as nice, nor as dreamy on the highway.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Every well-off male I know in Austin has or is seriously shopping for a Bronco. They're just multiplying in my circle. Hell even the tri shop owner got one, and I don't think he's even that well off. Replaced an ooooold X5.
Hopefully they're flooding the used market with 10-year-old 4runners and FJs, so's I can find a deal one one soon.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
It's funny - I think I preferred my old Civic on the twisty roads, but it was over half a ton lighter, with a manual steering rack. Definitely not as nice, nor as dreamy on the highway.
Don't hate, but I preferred the 2019 Elantra over the 2020 Jetta for 1000+ mile trips.
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Originally Posted by DougRNS
I had the common sense to retire for the night at 10 PM. Nothing good happens after 10 o'clock.
I transcribed some music after 10 pm and watched other videos.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
It's funny - I think I preferred my old Civic on the twisty roads, but it was over half a ton lighter, with a manual steering rack. Definitely not as nice, nor as dreamy on the highway.
Interesting. I haven't driven a Civic from this century, so I don't know how they compare any more. I've owned (and driven the hell out of) 3 Civics - '75, '84, and '95.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Don't hate, but I preferred the 2019 Elantra over the 2020 Jetta for 1000+ mile trips.
Haven't driven that so I can't compare, but... why?

I mean seriously, what was it?
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Yeah moving out to CO I spent most of NE with the cruise at 88 and it was perfect. The GX is far from nervous or uncomfortable, but this Tiguan puts it in perspective. Mind, nothing will likely come of the thought - first priority is house by a mile, and even then it would. e hard to make a compelling case for the switch.

Every well-off male I know in Austin has or is seriously shopping for a Bronco. They're just multiplying in my circle. Hell even the tri shop owner got one, and I don't think he's even that well off. Replaced an ooooold X5.
Yeah, it is the hot car right now. As you may recall, my son bought one a few weeks ago. He looked at the Bronco Sport, but after driving the big Bronco he was sold. Now that I have one also, my son in law wants to join the club.

The Broncos can be very affordable as they start at about $38k, or they can get up there a bit. Mine was a little over $62k which is about as expensive as I've seen them in stores (unless you get the Raptor version). Even overall, the higher end ones like mine are not that expensive when you consider the average new car price these days is about $50k.

I ended up getting $2k less than I paid for the Jeep in trade, and it's over 2 years old. When you add in the sales tax savings, I actually came out pretty well.

I'll tell you, my wife is giddy that I now only have one car that cost 1/3 of the cost of the other two. She's kind of the tightwad in the family.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
Interesting. I haven't driven a Civic from this century, so I don't know how they compare any more. I've owned (and driven the hell out of) 3 Civics - '75, '84, and '95.
Mine was a '97, so very similar to your '95. However, it was a DX so manual steering which I don't think anything above it had. And again, it was light. The GTI, by comparison, felt like a pre-force-feedback video game, and it was not only heavy but nose-heavy. On the twisty New England roads, both of those were frustrating.

Of course, it was the first car I had that wasn't scary over windy bridges.
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Originally Posted by datlas
We are planning a 130+ mile ride for tomorrow. Anyone care to join in the fun??


I would kill for a 130 mile ride right now. Hell even a 60 mile ride.
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mini van is starting to give me problems starting. Two day it was turning over but wouldn’t start. It did this twice, then the second 2 times it started and instantly stopped. The 4th time i hit that gas pedal and it stayed on. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Haven't driven that so I can't compare, but... why?

I mean seriously, what was it?
It seemed quieter and smother cruising at 80. But mostly cockpit feel - the Hyundai's seat fit my butt and back better, and the wheel reach to pedal reach ratio was better for me.

That second one gets tricky in some cars (without telescoping wheel). Took my Mom's car up to Williams and Flagstaff once and that car is impossible - to get good wheel reach I felt like I was reaching for the pedals with my tippy toes.

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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
Mine was a '97, so very similar to your '95. However, it was a DX so manual steering which I don't think anything above it had. And again, it was light. The GTI, by comparison, felt like a pre-force-feedback video game, and it was not only heavy but nose-heavy. On the twisty New England roads, both of those were frustrating.

Of course, it was the first car I had that wasn't scary over windy bridges.
My '95 was the first car I ever bought new - EX with auto. Not so light - lol. I loved that car. I sold it in '00 when I was on the verge of becoming a single dad, and needed a 4-door vehicle for kid-hauling purposes.

EDIT: My kid's '07 GTI feels pretty nicely balanced. More than I would have expected for a FWD car. I've read/heard from multiple sources that that generation of GTI is one of the best for handling charatersitics.
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Even overall, the higher end ones like mine are not that expensive when you consider the average new car price these days is about $50k.
Yes but... a critical point is that the average income is not buying the average new car. And things like Civics are still in the 20s, so it's a long way from "a sensible way to get around".

Of course, I also just checked and it's basically the same price as the Tiguan, or they start the same. All the more reason to stick with the GX I have like datlas, who may be my future.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
Yeah, it is the hot car right now. As you may recall, my son bought one a few weeks ago. He looked at the Bronco Sport, but after driving the big Bronco he was sold. Now that I have one also, my son in law wants to join the club.

The Broncos can be very affordable as they start at about $38k, or they can get up there a bit. Mine was a little over $62k which is about as expensive as I've seen them in stores (unless you get the Raptor version). Even overall, the higher end ones like mine are not that expensive when you consider the average new car price these days is about $50k.

I ended up getting $2k less than I paid for the Jeep in trade, and it's over 2 years old. When you add in the sales tax savings, I actually came out pretty well.

I'll tell you, my wife is giddy that I now only have one car that cost 1/3 of the cost of the other two. She's kind of the tightwad in the family.
I recently spent $47k for a pretty basic F150 for my company.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Hopefully they're flooding the used market with 10-year-old 4runners and FJs, so's I can find a deal one one soon.
FJs are worth more today than they originally cost. I've always wanted one.
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Originally Posted by Eric F
My '95 was the first car I ever bought new - EX with auto. Not so light - lol. I loved that car. I sold it in '00 when I was on the verge of becoming a single dad, and needed a 4-door vehicle for kid-hauling purposes.

EDIT: My kid's '07 GTI feels pretty nicely balanced. More than I would have expected for a FWD car. I've read/heard from multiple sources that that generation of GTI is one of the best for handling charatersitics.
Interesting.

I liked the Civic so much I assumed my next car would be the '07 Si, but when I drove it... yuck. And now I'm wondering if I would have liked the later GTIs less.
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FJs are worth more today than they originally cost. I've always wanted one.
I drove one of those too and found it to be far inferior to the 4R.
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