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Old 01-18-23, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by datlas
We tend to splurge on high quality food. The taste of farm fresh eggs is worth it.
My sister has chickens (wut) and I don't recall the eggs tasting all that different.

You should do a blind taste test--you might be surprised.
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Originally Posted by Velo Vol
My sister has chickens (wut) and I don't recall the eggs tasting all that different.

You should do a blind taste test--you might be surprised.
You might be more surprised to find what's in the backyard eggs.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...n-shop-eggs/2/
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So, what the hell can cause a rear derailer to only shift correctly 6 out of 10 tries?

I donít get it, I literally canít adjust it any differently, or it wonít shift to the other cogs? Could the cable be bad?
Frayed cable inside shifter likely. What model shifter and how many miles on cable??
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Originally Posted by datlas
Frayed cable inside shifter likely. What model shifter and how many miles on cable??
Sadly, I have become quite expert in this issue. I have come to the conclusion that it's not really miles that are the best measure of cable longevity in Shimano shifters, but rather number of shifts. Because I live in a hilly area with generally SHORT "rollers" rather than real hills, I probably shift SEVERAL HUNDRED TIMES on a typical ride. For my type of riding, I am getting somewhere between 2500 and 3000 miles/cable. I expect if I lived in a flat area I would get 10x that lifespan. If I lived in an area with longer ups/downs I would probably get 3X that lifespan (based on shift frequency).
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Originally Posted by datlas
Noted on todays ride that the RD would not shift to the 3 smallest cogs.

Of course, itís the dreaded frayed shift cable. I donít track cable life, but estimate 2500 miles on this one which is both typical for me and effing ridiculous.

I had to struggle a bit to extricate the old cable and a couple snafus replacing it, including dropping the RD cable fixing bolt and searching for it for 10 minutes before I found it. The whole process seemed to take forever but in reality took maybe 90 minutes.

Epic, right?
And this is with the new 8000 set?
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
And this is with the new 8000 set?
Yes. See post above. It's enough to make me consider electronic shifting, but my bike is NOT easily set up for that (external cables, rim brakes).
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Originally Posted by znomit
You might be more surprised to find what's in the backyard eggs.
https://arstechnica.com/science/2022...n-shop-eggs/2/
Oh my, datlas .

Also they feed them all kinds of gross table scraps.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Yes. See post above. It's enough to make me consider electronic shifting, but my bike is NOT easily set up for that (external cables, rim brakes).
Makes me wonder if it's the bike, viz. an issue with the cable routing or some fitting that's putting excess drag on it. Have you compared the upshift resistance to someone else's bike?
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
So, what the hell can cause a rear derailer to only shift correctly 6 out of 10 tries?

I donít get it, I literally canít adjust it any differently, or it wonít shift to the other cogs? Could the cable be bad?
Just issues with going to the smallest cog?

I'd start with maybe a 1/4 turn CCW on the high limit screw (or what Shimano calls the Top Adjustment).

Per Shimano the upper jockey wheel is to be aligned with the outer edge of the smallest cog, if it's centered on the cog it will have issues dropping in to place.

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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Makes me wonder if it's the bike, viz. an issue with the cable routing or some fitting that's putting excess drag on it. Have you compared the upshift resistance to someone else's bike?
I have not, and I agree it could be a cable routing issue. But this happens with the Roubaix which had bike-shop installed cables, so my suspicion is that I am too shifty. It's the only explanation that really makes sense to me.
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Originally Posted by datlas
yes. See post above. It's enough to make me consider electronic shifting, but my bike is not easily set up for that (external cables, rim brakes).
Sram? I don't know about new Sram stuff but my older Red was rim brake.
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Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
sram?
It's an option but:

1. I am thrifty and it's way cheaper to replace a cable every few months
2. I expect their support for rim brakes is gone/going away

I do hope to get one new bike in my lifetime, and that one will likely have those fancy newfangled disc brakes and electronic shifting. I am about to turn 58 in April, so I am thinking maybe for my 60th birthday.

That said, the Habanero is young compared to the Saturn (it's 14 I believe) and may outlive its owner.
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It sounds like your daughters have had some great opportunities to perform in some notable places, both with their high school and college bands.

It's also great to hear that your older daughter is now using her skills and experience to mentor and teach younger students in her current band role. Teaching music to young students is a wonderful way to give back and pass on the knowledge and skills that were shared with her.

Overall, it's clear that your daughters have had some great experiences through their involvement in music and it's a wonderful thing to see them give back and share their talents with others.
Thanks, their exposure to music has been such a gift.
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Originally Posted by datlas
I have not, and I agree it could be a cable routing issue. But this happens with the Roubaix which had bike-shop installed cables, so my suspicion is that I am too shifty. It's the only explanation that really makes sense to me.
Gotta keep that cadence in a 5 rpm range or something?
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Originally Posted by datlas
Yes. See post above. It's enough to make me consider electronic shifting, but my bike is NOT easily set up for that (external cables, rim brakes).
SRAM makes rim brake ETAP AXS for what itís worth.
Frayed cables during rides was the biggest reason I pulled the trigger to upgrade. Like you, I shift hundreds of times per ride.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Frayed cable inside shifter likely. What model shifter and how many miles on cable??

R7000 and 400 miles.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
R7000 and 400 miles.
That's pretty early for a frayed cable. The symptoms of a frayed cable is that the RD will be more "sluggish" going to the 2 or 3 smallest cogs....and eventually will "refuse" to go into those cogs. If you keep using it the cable will break and then you are stuck in your smallest cog. You may want to give us more info on what your RD is doing/not doing as it's not clear to me this is the cause.
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Originally Posted by phrantic09
SRAM makes rim brake ETAP AXS for what itís worth.
Frayed cables during rides was the biggest reason I pulled the trigger to upgrade. Like you, I shift hundreds of times per ride.
Did you get similar cable lifespan of 2500-3000 miles??
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Originally Posted by datlas
Did you get similar cable lifespan of 2500-3000 miles??
Yes. Last one was about 2700
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Originally Posted by datlas
so my suspicion is that I am too shifty.
It's a known fact.
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Originally Posted by bampilot06
R7000 and 400 miles.
I'd check the cable anyway.
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Originally Posted by phrantic09
Yes. Last one was about 2700
I am glad I am not the only one. Do you like the new setup??
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Originally Posted by datlas
That's pretty early for a frayed cable. The symptoms of a frayed cable is that the RD will be more "sluggish" going to the 2 or 3 smallest cogs....and eventually will "refuse" to go into those cogs. If you keep using it the cable will break and then you are stuck in your smallest cog. You may want to give us more info on what your RD is doing/not doing as it's not clear to me this is the cause.

Yesterday it wasnít shifting crisp on most cogs, however I wasnít paying attention if it was only up or down or both. I feel like both.

I cleaned the bike, degreased and re lubed the chain and worked on the indexing.

Itís still not crisp on all the gears but itís shifting better than it was, but the smallest cog it will not shift consistently to.

If I slam through all the gears with the bike in the stand I can get it to go, but if I start on cog 2 and shift to cog 1 it doesnít want to go. Yesterday maybe 6 out of 10 tries.

I just wiped the chain down and tried shifting to the number 1 cog (smallest) and no dice. 5 tries and it wont go.

At this point iím just going to take it to the shop. The front derailer is out of trim as well.
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Originally Posted by phrantic09
SRAM makes rim brake ETAP AXS for what itís worth.
Frayed cables during rides was the biggest reason I pulled the trigger to upgrade. Like you, I shift hundreds of times per ride.
This is not a put down of modern systems; only a simple statement. I had a brifter bike in the mid nineties and liked it enough, Before and since only downtube shifters, and never more than eight cogs in the rear. I can navigate almost everything I come across on my USA rides. Think 'The Storming of Thunder Ridge'. Here, in the land of 5% grades, I go entire rides without shifting.
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