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I think this is why:
High center of gravity, sharp turn taken at too high speed, tires too sticky. The body in motion remains in motion, in much the same direction, but because the tires have so much grip they change the orientation of the vehicle without changing the direction it's travelling, and now the tires are at right angles to the direction all that mass is moving, so the mass tries to keep going but the tires, which are still really sticky, won't slide enough, so the center of mass keeps moving in the same direction and quickly is no longer over the base and it rolls, and keeps going till it's upside down.
This is one reason why sports cars are so low to the ground. Also, in The Old Days, the tires were lousy and narrow, and the vehicle would just plow, not really turning effectively, and then the vehicle would fail to negotiate the turn and run into something.
High center of gravity, sharp turn taken at too high speed, tires too sticky. The body in motion remains in motion, in much the same direction, but because the tires have so much grip they change the orientation of the vehicle without changing the direction it's travelling, and now the tires are at right angles to the direction all that mass is moving, so the mass tries to keep going but the tires, which are still really sticky, won't slide enough, so the center of mass keeps moving in the same direction and quickly is no longer over the base and it rolls, and keeps going till it's upside down.
This is one reason why sports cars are so low to the ground. Also, in The Old Days, the tires were lousy and narrow, and the vehicle would just plow, not really turning effectively, and then the vehicle would fail to negotiate the turn and run into something.
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I was just out in the yard, getting ready to grill the traditional burgers and dogs, when I looked at out little apple tree. This tree has given us a maximum of half a dozen apples a year in the dozen years we've had it. This year it's got DOZENS of little apple-ettes!


So I asked my orchard-owning high school friends on FB what to do. One said to thin them down to 1 frult/cluster. We'll see how it goes, but we'll definitely keep the tree watered!!


So I asked my orchard-owning high school friends on FB what to do. One said to thin them down to 1 frult/cluster. We'll see how it goes, but we'll definitely keep the tree watered!!
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I was just out in the yard, getting ready to grill the traditional burgers and dogs, when I looked at out little apple tree. This tree has given us a maximum of half a dozen apples a year in the dozen years we've had it. This year it's got DOZENS of little apple-ettes!

So I asked my orchard-owning high school friends on FB what to do. One said to thin them down to 1 frult/cluster. We'll see how it goes, but we'll definitely keep the tree watered!!

So I asked my orchard-owning high school friends on FB what to do. One said to thin them down to 1 frult/cluster. We'll see how it goes, but we'll definitely keep the tree watered!!

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I guess I missed TJ throwing out the first pitch down at the ballpark yesterday 
Also the roof is closed


Also the roof is closed




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Wrong derailleur. He said his is 10 speed. So, likely FD-5700.
Park Tool always does a good job of explaining things.
How to Adjust a Front Derailleur - YouTube
Park Tool always does a good job of explaining things.
How to Adjust a Front Derailleur - YouTube
I watched this one with Mr. Mustache and It left me scratching my head.

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Good news about the swelling.
I suggest you look at some videos and adjust everything on the derailleurs starting from scratch. Start by making sure the chain length is correct. I had a shop I trusted put a new chain on for me and I had lots of problems after that including dropped chains. I went through the chain sizing procedure and he had left it 3 links too long. After I shortened it shifting was much better and it stopped dropping the chain.
I suggest you look at some videos and adjust everything on the derailleurs starting from scratch. Start by making sure the chain length is correct. I had a shop I trusted put a new chain on for me and I had lots of problems after that including dropped chains. I went through the chain sizing procedure and he had left it 3 links too long. After I shortened it shifting was much better and it stopped dropping the chain.
Interesting. I too had them throw a new chain on with all of this, and when I first saw the bike I thought the chain looked a little long. I don’t see how this leads to dropping though? The FD is definitely messed up, I can almost stick my pinking between the detrailer and the big chain ring on the outer limit side.

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Interesting. I too had them throw a new chain on with all of this, and when I first saw the bike I thought the chain looked a little long. I don’t see how this leads to dropping though? The FD is definitely messed up, I can almost stick my pinking between the detrailer and the big chain ring on the outer limit side.

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Check the chain length by shifting the derailleurs into the smallest cog on the cassette and the smallest ring on the crank. If the chain touches the jockey wheels on the rear derailleur, then it is too long.

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Oh, we don't swim year round, although some people have heaters. We just don't drain the pools, but keep them running so they don't go green. Heating an outdoor heated pool here is very expensive in terms of fuel costs. Most with heaters just use them in spring and fall.

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I think this is why:
High center of gravity, sharp turn taken at too high speed, tires too sticky. The body in motion remains in motion, in much the same direction, but because the tires have so much grip they change the orientation of the vehicle without changing the direction it's travelling, and now the tires are at right angles to the direction all that mass is moving, so the mass tries to keep going but the tires, which are still really sticky, won't slide enough, so the center of mass keeps moving in the same direction and quickly is no longer over the base and it rolls, and keeps going till it's upside down.
This is one reason why sports cars are so low to the ground. Also, in The Old Days, the tires were lousy and narrow, and the vehicle would just plow, not really turning effectively, and then the vehicle would fail to negotiate the turn and run into something.
High center of gravity, sharp turn taken at too high speed, tires too sticky. The body in motion remains in motion, in much the same direction, but because the tires have so much grip they change the orientation of the vehicle without changing the direction it's travelling, and now the tires are at right angles to the direction all that mass is moving, so the mass tries to keep going but the tires, which are still really sticky, won't slide enough, so the center of mass keeps moving in the same direction and quickly is no longer over the base and it rolls, and keeps going till it's upside down.
This is one reason why sports cars are so low to the ground. Also, in The Old Days, the tires were lousy and narrow, and the vehicle would just plow, not really turning effectively, and then the vehicle would fail to negotiate the turn and run into something.

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Conversely, it should go big/big, also. If you can't do both extremes, then it's the wrong cassette or rear derailleur or chainrings size.
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We are having a heat pump installed when they build it, the place the pool is going only has sun until about 3-4 so we will probably need it.

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I found a document from Campagnolo and it says to measure between the chain and the jockey wheel. It might have been 13mm.

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