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Old 05-11-23, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Hey guys, I was looking at the Stanford campus bike shop and they would sell me a fuji feather single speed for $600.
A bit of family trivia. That Campus Bike Shop is currently owned by Keith, my sister's former college boyfriend, who bought it from my dad, who bought it from my grandfather. I was almost born in the shop.




"There are only about 150 bikes on campus now...Used to be a lot more bikes on campus. There was a time just after the war when the bike racks up at Lake Lag were packed every afternoon, bikes all over the place. I guess people have just quit riding". -- Fred Morse, 1955

BTW Larry, there's no way that Keith will let you test ride a new bike for two hours.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Hey guys, I was looking at the Stanford campus bike shop and they would sell me a fuji feather single speed for $600. I want to try test riding it for ~2 hours doing a fast group ride, because if the bike cannot perform well under load I don't want it, and its hard to replicate that without a racing environment. Id need them to move the brakes to the drop bars, and I would consider buying it if i am happy with it. Is this unusual or a dick move on my part? Bit more than the customary spin. Was going to drop off the money or a more expensive bike as collateral and not bother explaining in detail where im riding it/ask the sales guy for permission because he would have to ask his manager and its just escalating for no reason.
If you owned the new bike and a person made the same request, what would you do? Also, in two hours, the bike isn't new anymore. The seller must either lie or tell the potential buyer they are getting a used bike.
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Originally Posted by Chuck Naill
If you owned the new bike and a person made the same request, what would you do? Also, in two hours, the bike isn't new anymore. The seller must either lie or tell the potential buyer they are getting a used bike.
Plenty of bikes are sold new in stores with over two hours use on 'em. Same with cars.
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Plenty of bikes are sold new in stores with over two hours use on 'em. Same with cars.
Not the ones I purchase.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
...sell me a fuji feather single speed for $600.
NO! Its not a Dick Move... They want to sell a bike. You want to buy one.

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At this point it's not a test ride it's more of a demo ride or even a rental. See if you can talk them into a rental and if you decide to purchase, whether that rental fee can be applied towards the purchase price.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
A bit of family trivia. That Campus Bike Shop is currently owned by Keith, my sister's former college boyfriend, who bought it from my dad, who bought it from my grandfather. I was almost born in the shop.




"There are only about 150 bikes on campus now...Used to be a lot more bikes on campus. There was a time just after the war when the bike racks up at Lake Lag were packed every afternoon, bikes all over the place. I guess people have just quit riding". -- Fred Morse, 1955

BTW Larry, there's no way that Keith will let you test ride a new bike for two hours.
heís been cool to me, but idk if he knows Iím the shirtless guy. If he knew who I was he wouldnít mind. He would lend it to me, mark my words, Iíll give an update if I proceed.

Is buying a new single speed worth it over a used one? I have a used one with mechanical disk brakes and itís such a headache I just want a different one. Iím paranoid of buying a new one and it still wonít run quietly and smoothly etc etc

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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
heís been cool to me, but idk if he knows Iím the shirtless guy. If he knew who I was he wouldnít mind. He would lend it to me, mark my words, Iíll give an update if I proceed.

Is buying a new single speed worth it over a used one? I have a used one with mechanical disk brakes and itís such a headache I just want a different one. Iím paranoid of buying a new one and it still wonít run quietly and smoothly etc etc
Your rep precedes you sir... I betting on @terrymorse being correct.
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Thereís also the idea of using a single speed on the Spectrum Ride, probably the fastest group ride on the SF Peninsula.

A single speed wouldnít be my first choice for that ride. Or second choice.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
A bit of family trivia. That Campus Bike Shop is currently owned by Keith, my sister's former college boyfriend, who bought it from my dad, who bought it from my grandfather. I was almost born in the shop.




"There are only about 150 bikes on campus now...Used to be a lot more bikes on campus. There was a time just after the war when the bike racks up at Lake Lag were packed every afternoon, bikes all over the place. I guess people have just quit riding". -- Fred Morse, 1955

BTW Larry, there's no way that Keith will let you test ride a new bike for two hours.
Game, set & match. You win BF for at least the week.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Thereís also the idea of using a single speed on the Spectrum Ride, probably the fastest group ride on the SF Peninsula.

A single speed wouldnít be my first choice for that ride. Or second choice.
I tried it on a 42x18 and need a heavier gear, the stock is probably 48-16 which should be fine.
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Yeah, we used to do fast group rides on FGSS setups. 48x16 was a good ratio, some ran 49x16 for the skid patches. But a lot of the commuters ran 48x17 for everyday duty and I think that's too low. This was in LA and the rides were mostly flat (or at least nothing with extended climbing). Never done Spectrum up here in the Bay but from what I've read there's not any extended climbing, mostly rollers. Still, now that I'm older, wiser, and have the money for proper bikes, a SS wouldn't be my first pick, and definitely not a Fuji Feather. Maybe a Langster or something.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
I'm sick of my bikes breaking and I need to commute in the rain etc, don't like maintenance. I want my commuter bike to be the same bike that I race on.

Separately, there are training benefits to riding single speed with fast groups. It forces you to be comfortable with a dynamic cadence and exposes inefficiencies in your pedaling style.
How are your bikes 'breaking'??? Perhaps you are buying junk bikes???
Commuting on a 'race bike' is not a good idea.
Being lazy and careless about maintenance is a great way to shorten the life of a bike and its parts.
I've worked in three shops for over 20 years and I've never seen anyone allowed to take a bike for a 2 hour ride. Perhaps if the shop is hard up for a sale...then maybe. It's up to you to do your homework and know what you're buying.
But I don't have any monkeys in this circus so I don't really care what you try to get away with but customers like you is the primary reason I prefer to stay in the back and just wrench...I don't miss customers like you...ugh...
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Actually, the question should be, "What is the LBS restocking fee if I purchase the bike and want to return it after two hours?" Then, rather than borrowing the bike, you've bought it and understand the option cost of a put-back. And, rather than massively overcollateralizing the exchange with a much more valuable asset at risk, you have maintained "parity of exposure" to the counterparty credit. Since the question seems to revolve around "fit for purpose" rather than "the price on offer," the $600 should not be of any concern. The restocking fee would essentially be rent. In the markets, we call this a buy-sell back arrangement, where the differential of purchase versus repurchase represents an interest rate on the money.

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Originally Posted by tFUnK
Never done Spectrum up here in the Bay but from what I've read there's not any extended climbing, mostly rollers.
Yes, Spectrum is a "big ring" ride, which certainly can be done with a SS. But a couple of the rollers are steep enough, and the downhill sections are long and fast enough, that a SS would feel too high or too low in a few spots.
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the only single speed bikes I owned were BMXs when I was younger. Now all my bikes have gears
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
Hey guys, I was looking at the Stanford campus bike shop and they would sell me a fuji feather single speed for $600. I want to try test riding it for ~2 hours doing a fast group ride, because if the bike cannot perform well under load I don't want it, and its hard to replicate that without a racing environment. Id need them to move the brakes to the drop bars, and I would consider buying it if i am happy with it. Is this unusual or a dick move on my part? Bit more than the customary spin. Was going to drop off the money or a more expensive bike as collateral and not bother explaining in detail where im riding it/ask the sales guy for permission because he would have to ask his manager and its just escalating for no reason.
IMO, your request to move the brakes is unreasonable for a test ride on a budget bike. A 2 hour test ride is reasonable but asking them to do work on a bike they may not sell is asking too much.
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I wouldn't worry about the race part of the demo ride. A 48:16 will have him spit out back on first fast flat. For perspective, 30 mph will require a cadence of 130.
Also yeah, borrowing a new bike for a couple hours to lose a race is a dick move.
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OK to send a link to this thread to the bike shop, Larry? Or would that be a dick move?
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IMO, your request to move the brakes is unreasonable for a test ride on a budget bike. A 2 hour test ride is reasonable but asking them to do work on a bike they may not sell is asking too much.
I agree in principle, but to play devils advocate there is a good chance I would buy the bike if it fits my needs, and I can't tell if it will fit my needs with the brakes in the current position
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
I agree in principle, but to play devils advocate there is a good chance I would buy the bike if it fits my needs, and I can't tell if it will fit my needs with the brakes in the current position
But, from the shop's perspective, there's a good chance you won't buy the bike
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Originally Posted by Zaskar
I wouldn't worry about the race part of the demo ride. A 48:16 will have him spit out back on first fast flat. For perspective, 30 mph will require a cadence of 130.
Also yeah, borrowing a new bike for a couple hours to lose a race is a dick move.
130 rpm is fast but maintainable. I used to do a similar but maybe 3 mph slower ride on a 42x18 and was fine on all but a long mile+ long downhill
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
130 rpm is fast but maintainable.
Uh huh.
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Originally Posted by LarrySellerz
I agree in principle, but to play devils advocate there is a good chance I would buy the bike if it fits my needs, and I can't tell if it will fit my needs with the brakes in the current position
Crosstop style levers slid down to the drops ain't gonna be pleasant.
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Originally Posted by Zaskar
Uh huh.
Iím approaching it differently than most roadies. 200 rpm bursts are the dream.
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