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Old 08-10-23, 11:07 AM
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Yep, started by an associate of the NY (baseball) Giants and used the same name.

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It's been hotter than that this July. I've been finishing rides before the high, though. Years ago I rode in 115 and 114. Got a bloody nose climbing back into the valley in 115 heat.
Worked in 115 degree heat in Santa Clarita when I lived in the mountains 55 miles north of there. It would be 85 at home when it was 115 at work. It wasn't a very busy shop with the frenetic pace of my last job, though. We could go slow and management was non-existent.

At the last job the air compressors were in their own room. 2 big machines that generated a lot of heat, even in cool weather. On a hot day it was an oven in there. They hired a kid to do janitorial work and told him to clean that room on a hot day and scrape up old oil and gunk while the compressors were running. One of the most cruel, inhumane things I had seen on the job. The kid walked off at lunch and never came back.
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All through college, Dad got me jobs every summer at the fruit processing plant where he was one of the execs. My very first job there was cleaning up a rail car that had been loaded with sacks of diatomaceous earth. Most of the load had been take off with a forklift, so my job was the sacks that had fallen off the pallets and, generally, ripped open. It was an enclosed rail car that sat in the sun all day, next to a non-air conditioned plant. I had one of those dust masks, the ones we learned a few years ago are absolutely worthless, except to make you sweat. That was fun.

Then there was the peach season - 2 weeks in the hottest part of mid August when peaches were ripe, and the plant would run two 10 hour shifts. Peaches were peeled in a lye bath, which runs the halved, pitted peaches through a vat of boiling hot lye before spraying with cold water to remove the skins and remove the lye. The lye bath was a big, long rectangular box, about 8' x 8' x 20', in the middle of the factory floor. It put out a LOT of heat, in a factory that wasn't air conditioned, in August. I was part of the cleaning crew. We worked from 10 PM to 6 AM, but with the plant running 2 x 10 hour shifts, we were basically walking around picking up randomly fallen peaches from 10 till 2. Then we had to work like demons for 4 hours to get the plant ready for the next shift at 6 AM. That was a hot job, because the plant not only didn't cool off much, but also the lye bath was pumping out heat.

That was the opposite of the job I had during cherry season. Cherries are ripe in mid-July, and the season runs something like 2-4 weeks. Cherries coming in from the orchards are too soft to be machine-pitted. They'll just be squashed. So the cherries would go into big tanks of 40 degree water. There were something like 16 of these tanks, each the size of a VW Beetle. Cherries were moved into the tanks and from the tanks to the line in water, in flumes. Our job was filling the tanks as the cherries came in, and transferring the cherries that had been in the tank long enough to the holding tank to supply the line. The room was about 50 degrees. Of course this is in mid July, so everyone who had to work outside, or in the non-air conditioned plant would envy us two guys who manned the Tank Room, but you know, after a while it gets old, being cold all the time in the middle of summer. Then there was the time I forgot to turn on the water in the flume before opening the valve on a tank to feed the holding tank. Cherries piled up on the floor under the tanks. I had to crawl in under the tanks and shovel the cherries off the floor into the flume. I'm claustrophobic, so that was a nice treat. I had nightmares about that for years after.
Jesus, we must be old. We're telling "Why, when I were a lad..." stories!
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Old 08-10-23, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by datlas
So I am doing a little "online" shopping for my next bike. There are LOTS of options for custom geometry. They are all ridiculously expensive.

Since I am the type to get a new bike (or new car) every 10-20 years, I do value durability over lightness. So my inclination is to get another Ti frame.

However, the new custom molded ENVE frames and other custom carbon frames from Seven or Calfee are looking pretty sweet.

Advice? Should I start another thread in the 41??
If you feel like you can justify the price of a decent used car for a brand new bike, I'd say go for carbon, Di2, and disk brakes. Just make sure you get a THREADED BB.
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Old 08-10-23, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by datlas
So I am doing a little "online" shopping for my next bike. There are LOTS of options for custom geometry. They are all ridiculously expensive.

Since I am the type to get a new bike (or new car) every 10-20 years, I do value durability over lightness. So my inclination is to get another Ti frame.

However, the new custom molded ENVE frames and other custom carbon frames from Seven or Calfee are looking pretty sweet.

Advice? Should I start another thread in the 41??
Are the ENVE custom molded or tube-to-tube? Custom molded sounds $$$$ while custom tube-to-tube should only be $$$.
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Old 08-10-23, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Are the ENVE custom molded or tube-to-tube? Custom molded sounds $$$$ while custom tube-to-tube should only be $$$.
frameworkbicycles.com

I love this guy's approach to material choice and manufacturing methods. Custom filament wound tubes, billet machined metal bits, and an absolute obsession with precision.

Highly recommended Instagram follow.

I think his frames start at $5.5k CAD though.
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Old 08-10-23, 11:46 AM
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This week, I replaced my 6800 RD with a 8000 because I wanted a longer cage, and it actually shifts slightly but noticeably better. Might be because it's new, but the old one was in good shape.
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Originally Posted by abshipp
frameworkbicycles.com

I love this guy's approach to material choice and manufacturing methods. Custom filament wound tubes, billet machined metal bits, and an absolute obsession with precision.

Highly recommended Instagram follow.

I think his frames start at $5.5k CAD though.
So, around $2000 US?

(Close - $4070 as of this morning)
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
Are the ENVE custom molded or tube-to-tube? Custom molded sounds $$$$ while custom tube-to-tube should only be $$$.
Custom molded. Very $$$$ but at this point I will consider all options.
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Originally Posted by abshipp
frameworkbicycles.com

I love this guy's approach to material choice and manufacturing methods. Custom filament wound tubes, billet machined metal bits, and an absolute obsession with precision.

Highly recommended Instagram follow.

I think his frames start at $5.5k CAD though.
Looks nice.
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Sadly RA has taken a toll on my ability to sling an axe. Don't think fisherman is the answer either, if it going on a boat is required.
Boats I can't help with; I've been messing about in them since I was a little kid, so I have no understanding of uneasiness with being out on the water.

Re. logging, that's unfortunate.
On the positive side, the industry is very highly mechanized these days. I'm sure you could operate a skidder?
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Most of the local "cool kids" with $$$ to burn on bikes are riding custom bikes from Seven. There is a local dealer/fitter who works with Seven and one of my club-mates who I respect suggested I should get a Seven CF with Ti lugs which is what he rides. It's an option.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Custom molded. Very $$$$ but at this point I will consider all options.
You could take a bit of the edge off by selling the wheels it comes with.

Zipp 303 are nice
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Originally Posted by abshipp
frameworkbicycles.com

I love this guy's approach to material choice and manufacturing methods. Custom filament wound tubes, billet machined metal bits, and an absolute obsession with precision.

Highly recommended Instagram follow.

I think his frames start at $5.5k CAD though.
I really appreciate the craftsmanship, but that's just not my aesthetic. Reminds me too much of the old Allez and other CF/metal lugged bikes of yesteryear. I think they'd be smokin' in all metal.
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Custom molded.
Woof.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Most of the local "cool kids" with $$$ to burn on bikes are riding custom bikes from Seven. There is a local dealer/fitter who works with Seven and one of my club-mates who I respect suggested I should get a Seven CF with Ti lugs which is what he rides. It's an option.
I'm imagining a frame builder looking at you and feeling like Inigo Montoya's father being asked to make a sword for the 6-Fingered Man in "The Princess Bride"...
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If you feel like you can justify the price of a decent used car for a brand new bike, I'd say go for carbon, Di2, and disk brakes. Just make sure you get a THREADED BB.
Check for all of those. Also will ask for clearance for up to 30 or 32mm tires. Just in case I want to do some gravel adventuring. I plan to ride on 25 or 28's for most applications.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I'm imagining a frame builder looking at you and feeling like Inigo Montoya's father being asked to make a sword for the 6-Fingered Man in "The Princess Bride"...
I may have told this story before, but it is worth repeating.

When I decided to get a new road bike in 2008/9 to replace my 1980's custom steel frame, I went to the local framebuilder who also owns a bike shop.

I made an appointment with him and patiently waited. I explained I was a keen cyclist but not racing, and wanted a new bike for the 21st century. I told him I was fairly confident I needed custom geometry.

He looked at me smugly and said "There's almost NO ONE who I cannot get fit properly on a STOCK frame," I told him that I was open to that and it would be less expensive, so he took my measurements....played around with a calculator and a clipboard, looked a bit puzzled, played with the clipboard a minute longer, then stroked his chin and said "you know, you are a GOOD candidate for custom geometry!"

I am afraid that is still the case.
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Originally Posted by datlas
I may have told this story before, but it is worth repeating.

When I decided to get a new road bike in 2008/9 to replace my 1980's custom steel frame, I went to the local framebuilder who also owns a bike shop.

I made an appointment with him and patiently waited. I explained I was a keen cyclist but not racing, and wanted a new bike for the 21st century. I told him I was fairly confident I needed custom geometry.

He looked at me smugly and said "There's almost NO ONE who I cannot get fit properly on a STOCK frame," I told him that I was open to that and it would be less expensive, so he took my measurements....played around with a calculator and a clipboard, looked a bit puzzled, played with the clipboard a minute longer, then stroked his chin and said "you know, you are a GOOD candidate for custom geometry!"

I am afraid that is still the case.
I imagine so, unless you got a leg-shortening operation or something.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I really appreciate the craftsmanship, but that's just not my aesthetic.
Way too much craftsmanship, if you ask me, unjustified by performance or durability. Custom geometry for people with typical body proportions is basically not a thing.

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Woof.
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Originally Posted by WhyFi
I really appreciate the craftsmanship, but that's just not my aesthetic. Reminds me too much of the old Allez and other CF/metal lugged bikes of yesteryear. I think they'd be smokin' in all metal.
I'm actually right there with you.
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Originally Posted by datlas
I may have told this story before, but it is worth repeating.

When I decided to get a new road bike in 2008/9 to replace my 1980's custom steel frame, I went to the local framebuilder who also owns a bike shop.

I made an appointment with him and patiently waited. I explained I was a keen cyclist but not racing, and wanted a new bike for the 21st century. I told him I was fairly confident I needed custom geometry.

He looked at me smugly and said "There's almost NO ONE who I cannot get fit properly on a STOCK frame," I told him that I was open to that and it would be less expensive, so he took my measurements....played around with a calculator and a clipboard, looked a bit puzzled, played with the clipboard a minute longer, then stroked his chin and said "you know, you are a GOOD candidate for custom geometry!"

I am afraid that is still the case.
LSS needed a custom frame too. 5'10" with a 34" pants inseam.


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Most of the local "cool kids" with $$$ to burn on bikes are riding custom bikes from Seven. There is a local dealer/fitter who works with Seven and one of my club-mates who I respect suggested I should get a Seven CF with Ti lugs which is what he rides. It's an option.
Custom Vamoots CRD

YOLO

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My friend in the mountains bought a Brat (85, I think) and bought a wrecked turbo wagon and swapped the turbo engine into the Brat. Made for a good commuter for the snow except it didn't have enough leg room for me. He was alone in it when some Bozo in a 2500 Chevy truck slid on the ice and hit him head-on, destroying the Brat.
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