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Old 11-03-23, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TMonk
I'm telling you man, speed (and therefore distance) are not really very meaningful metrics.

Relative speed matters - Are you going faster than others, on the same day, on the same course, at the same time?
Absolute speed only matters if you're trying to set course records, like our boy Jeffrey Hoogland in the kilometer up there.
See also treadmills and "speed". They all lie, even the best. And are inconsistent, and slow down on each footstrike. Ignore it and just do HR over time.
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Originally Posted by Bah Humbug
See also treadmills and "speed". They all lie, even the best. And are inconsistent, and slow down on each footstrike. Ignore it and just do HR over time.
I think that running is probably more objective than cycling regarding effort, fitness and speed. Simply due to the fact that the speed band is lower so wind isn't really as big a deal. Not sure about that though tbh.
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I think that INEOS elite marathoner set the marathon record by drafting a few other riders in a pack that he just burned off to get him to the final miles as fresh as possible? Crazy that he can even run fast enough in the first place for that to matter. I watch short races on the track sometimes and drafting is def a thing there. Like stuff with Jacob Ingebrigsten, he's fun to watch. Obviously not the same degree as a ITT vs TTT speed, but still it's wild that some guys are fast enough to benefit from running.

When I jog (once every week or two) its for like 2-3 miles at a moderate pace, 7:30 - 8:30/mi depending on the day. I actually watch my HR to make sure it doesn't get too high - I don't want to add training stress. I just do it for the impact and overall health (bone density, ligament strength etc)
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Day 3 of all-oatmeal November. Having Claris-level coffee but the first sip tasted really good, I guess it'll do.

Trying not to think about bacon.
Cook it crispy and crumble it over the top of the oatmeal.
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Originally Posted by TMonk
I think that running is probably more objective than cycling regarding effort, fitness and speed. Simply due to the fact that the speed band is lower so wind isn't really as big a deal. Not sure about that though tbh.
There are those who swear by running power. I do not - you can't just gear up or down as on (derailleur) bikes, so reducing power means monkeying with your stride and that's unproductive. You need to have fitness to run your race pace for the distance and that's about that.

However, your perception of speed can lie (hence why I always overpaced out of T2) and where I was really going was on treadmills if you run a 6:00 pace you are probably really doing 6:30-7:00, for example. They lie, by and large, and flatteringly.

Wind is absolutely a thing though. And surfaces vary speed as well. And shoes...
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Originally Posted by TMonk
I think that INEOS elite marathoner set the marathon record by drafting a few other riders in a pack that he just burned off to get him to the final miles as fresh as possible? Crazy that he can even run fast enough in the first place for that to matter. I watch short races on the track sometimes and drafting is def a thing there. Like stuff with Jacob Ingebrigsten, he's fun to watch. Obviously not the same degree as a ITT vs TTT speed, but still it's wild that some guys are fast enough to benefit from running.

When I jog (once every week or two) its for like 2-3 miles at a moderate pace, 7:30 - 8:30/mi depending on the day. I actually watch my HR to make sure it doesn't get too high - I don't want to add training stress. I just do it for the impact and overall health (bone density, ligament strength etc)
Drafting matters even at lower speeds. I lost a (small local) race BITD by doing the work at the wrong time. Lesson learned...

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Less than favorable wind conditions and we're starting to get smoked out, so I'm driving south for the weekend.

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Originally Posted by TMonk
I'm telling you man, speed (and therefore distance) are not really very meaningful metrics.

Relative speed matters - Are you going faster than others, on the same day, on the same course, at the same time?
Absolute speed only matters if you're trying to set course records, like our boy Jeffrey Hoogland in the kilometer up there.
Exactly. I was tested at the height of my racing career and was told I had a sub-standard VO2 max. I felt really bad and still managed 30 top 3 placing out of 36 races that year.

edit to add that these were masters races. My cat 1/2 races were generally 10th to 13th. My point stands that experience, guile, position and sprint ability means more in pack racing than straight line average speed.
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12 bags and 8 hours later I successfully eradicated all leaves from my not so hugeness property.
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Originally Posted by Trsnrtr
Exactly. I was tested at the height of my racing career and was told I had a sub-standard VO2 max. I felt really bad and still managed 30 top 3 placing out of 36 races that year.

edit to add that these were masters races. My cat 1/2 races were generally 10th to 13th. My point stands that experience, guile, position and sprint ability means more in pack racing than straight line average speed.

Good thing I have the straight line average speed dialed in!


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I don't like sprinting so I'd rather just attack and get in a break. I'm not bad at it, I Just don't have the same nerve I used to and get spooked with the energy from a charging pack in the last lap. I prefer a reduced group and do well from them. Mostly interested in racing Master's at this point.

I'm cat 2. I think cat 1 is possible, but I'd have to really seek out Cat 2 only or Cat 2/3 combined races which aren't as common as P/1/2 where I'm mostly just pack fodder.

Master's racing FTW. I'm competitive again!
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Originally Posted by TMonk
I don't like sprinting so I'd rather just attack and get in a break. I'm not bad at it, I Just don't have the same nerve I used to and get spooked with the energy from a charging pack in the last lap. I prefer a reduced group and do well from them. Mostly interested in racing Master's at this point.

I'm cat 2. I think cat 1 is possible, but I'd have to really seek out Cat 2 only or Cat 2/3 combined races which aren't as common as P/1/2 where I'm mostly just pack fodder.

Master's racing FTW. I'm competitive again!

I def feel safest is master races. cat 3/4 was still sketch and Cat 4/5 it’s not if there will be a crash, just when?
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oh for sure. men race like they have families to go home to, and work on Monday!

And that doesn't mean it's not hard and fast! In SCNCA the 35/45+ field is the second fastest every time behind the elite race. Faster than cat 3 for sure, we got some hitters and lots of nat champ stripes around here. Often times many of us will double up on a criterium day and do the master's race then the P/1/2 for some more training.
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oh for sure. men race like they have families to go home to, and work on Monday!

And that doesn't mean it's not hard and fast! In SCNCA the 35/45+ field is the second fastest every time behind the elite race. Faster than cat 3 for sure, we got some hitters and lots of nat champ stripes around here. Often times many of us will double up on a criterium day and do the master's race then the P/1/2 for some more training.
For me they feel more organized, less surgy, no one is taking stupid risk, and the fast guys are usually already gone at the start.

Speaking of sprinting. One of the first races this year during the woman’s cat 4 race there was a sprint at the finish. One woman was looking straight down never looked up and ran into one of the woman on our team. The lady that caused the crash went over the bars and landed on her head. This was at a race track, I was on the other side of the track and it was the most disturbing sound I have ever heard. She wasn’t responsive. She made a recovery at the hospital. Point is, scary.

I try to swing far out during the sprint finish. I know I am most likely not podium and I would rather not break my bones or worse my bike than get an extra spot on the list. So far I jump the gun and am usually at red line before the finish line.
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Went to an event last night. One of the hors d'oeuvres was bacon wrapped scallops. Someone was eating the scallops and discarding the bacon.
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Went to an event last night. One of the hors d'oeuvres was bacon wrapped scallops. Someone was eating the scallops and discarding the bacon.

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12 bags and 8 hours later I successfully eradicated all leaves from my not so hugeness property.
Currently watching the south wind blow leaves across the street and into the woods.
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets
Day 3 of all-oatmeal November. Having Claris-level coffee but the first sip tasted really good, I guess it'll do.

Trying not to think about bacon peanut butter.
Fixed for me
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The workout room is about 20X21. The picture makes it look large due to it being a Panorama shot.

Our main living area is larger and open to the kitchen and breakfast table area. It also has "formal" living and dining areas and a "media" room. Too much for the two of us, but perfect for when the kids hopefully visit with grandkids, so we hold on to it.

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Originally Posted by bampilot06
12 bags and 8 hours later I successfully eradicated all leaves from my not so hugeness property.
What happens if you just leave them lay there?
I think rjones28 answered that question.

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What happens if you just leave them lay there?

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