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Dietary Acid as Performance Inhibitor?

Old 02-15-24, 07:34 PM
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Dietary Acid as Performance Inhibitor?

I like drinking water with lemon, and drink a lot of it, which may, or may not, be taking my pH acidic which is not good for teeth, bone density and muscle performance. So I used ‘The Google” and found this very limited study by the PubMed courtesy of NIH. It is quite lengthy but only covers a limited group of athletes, so I am sure its veracity will be called into question - I know I did.

An interesting piece in it discussed balancing proteins found in a primarily meat diet with like amounts of fruits and vegetables to maintain a happy pH. You may find it interesting, or not, but I was not aware of any research - and it didn’t answer my question about lemon water. https://na01.safelinks.protection.ou...%3D&reserved=0
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I'd be interested to know too as I like to have lemons in my water during some endurance riding.
I have noticed that iced tea [unsweetened] does bod well but a cold coffee helps me feel better.
oddly enough, one time I had experienced a little acid reflux & chewed some tums, which not only curbed the reflux but gave me a little more oomph while out riding.
maybe I'll take some tums with me on the next long ride & some plain water to see if it lends any benefits.
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Given that there is some weak support for bicarbonate (basic) supplements to buffer lactic acid in athletes, I would suspect that the opposite is true for acid. That said, our bodies are pretty good at pushing homeostasis, so I expect any possible negative from acid to be very small.

This is all hand waving, I don’t have a drop of evidence.
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Originally Posted by Troul
I'd be interested to know too as I like to have lemons in my water during some endurance riding.
I have noticed that iced tea [unsweetened] does bod well but a cold coffee helps me feel better.
oddly enough, one time I had experienced a little acid reflux & chewed some tums, which not only curbed the reflux but gave me a little more oomph while out riding.
maybe I'll take some tums with me on the next long ride & some plain water to see if it lends any benefits.
Careful, the UCI will start banning Tums.

Lettuce know next time you chew a couple before a ride and how it goes.
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Careful, the UCI will start banning Tums.

Lettuce know next time you chew a couple before a ride and how it goes.
as long as no UTI happen, things should roll under the radar.
but until the icebergs of winter thaw away, I'll be cool as a cucumber indoors.
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Originally Posted by datlas
Given that there is some weak support for bicarbonate (basic) supplements to buffer lactic acid in athletes, I would suspect that the opposite is true for acid. That said, our bodies are pretty good at pushing homeostasis, so I expect any possible negative from acid to be very small.

This is all hand waving, I don’t have a drop of evidence.
Yea...this.

And I can add that as a retired dentist, folks with a very high consumption of acidic drinks did a lot to contribute to my kids' college fund.
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Originally Posted by Troul
as long as no UTI happen, things should roll under the radar.
but until the icebergs of winter thaw away, I'll be cool as a cucumber indoors.
Speaking of UTIs, since the thread is essentially dead, I have had a couple as a result of dehydration on century rides on hot (high 80s, low 90s in the PNW) days and they were not fun nor sanctioned by the UCI. (When I spent 5 hours on the bike without needing a bio-break, this idiot didn’t recognize being under hydrated.) Fever, pain and low energy was no joke. Hadn’t heard about males having them, (i was a sheltered lad in my early 30s) until that fateful urine specimen.
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I'll take my coffee in the morning and red wine with dinner, thank you very much! Even if it comes at a cost of a percent (or two) off my FTP. 3 percent? That might make me reconsider.... plus I doubt I can make that much difference tbh
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Originally Posted by bblair
Yea...this.

And I can add that as a retired dentist, folks with a very high consumption of acidic drinks did a lot to contribute to my kids' college fund.
what preemptive teeth care would you suggest for those that like to consume acidic fruits like lemons, pineapples?
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Originally Posted by Troul
what preemptive teeth care would you suggest for those that like to consume acidic fruits like lemons, pineapples?
Afterward, I would recommend biting into a box of Arm and Hammar baking soda. Yum
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Dietary acid ≠ endogenous acid production caused by diet. The article even states that most fruits buffer acid.
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Originally Posted by rsbob
Afterward, I would recommend biting into a box of Arm and Hammar baking soda. Yum
The arm might be ok with the teeth, until ya chomp down on a bone... Eating hammers would require having steel balls bearings, unless yer referring to side loader machinery?
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
Dietary acid ≠ endogenous acid production caused by diet. The article even states that most fruits buffer acid.
Good to know that exogenous acid consumption (lemons, etc) are not contributors. Thanks
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Originally Posted by Troul
The arm might be ok with the teeth, until ya chomp down on a bone... Eating hammers would require having steel balls bearings, unless yer referring to side loader machinery?
I didn’t think I was being that obvious….sheesh.
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Originally Posted by MoAlpha
The article even states that most fruits buffer acid.
Originally Posted by rsbob
Good to know that exogenous acid consumption (lemons, etc) are not contributors. Thanks
Even fruit has AI tech hard at work defending our 'namels
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This is a famous case in which dietary acid ingestion had an inhibitory effect on riding a bike:

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...d-psychedelic/
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Originally Posted by Troul
what preemptive teeth care would you suggest for those that like to consume acidic fruits like lemons, pineapples?
Those are healthy choices, just don't eat them all day, every day. The folks that had severe problems were the ones that drank energy drinks or Mountain Dew all day long. Sitting at their desks at work, or watching TV. Nothing wrong with the occasional Coke or pineapple, but I had lots of folks who drank a 12-pack a day. No kidding.
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Originally Posted by Polaris OBark
This is a famous case in which dietary acid ingestion had an inhibitory effect on riding a bike:

https://www.bicycling.com/culture/a3...d-psychedelic/
Gives a whole new meaning to a cycling trip.
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Originally Posted by bblair
Those are healthy choices, just don't eat them all day, every day. The folks that had severe problems were the ones that drank energy drinks or Mountain Dew all day long. Sitting at their desks at work, or watching TV. Nothing wrong with the occasional Coke or pineapple, but I had lots of folks who drank a 12-pack a day. No kidding.
a previous conversation with a dentist [mainly a orthodontist] suggested to not have more than the USDA suggested serving size at one time within an acceptable timeframe of fruits & carbonated beverages to reduce the big impacts it has on maintaining good teeth.... That kind of doesn't apply for 90% of America. Some folks consume 3 or more lemons in one serving. Overall health wise, it doesnt raise a red flag, but for just teeth I can expect it to cause issues over time if that remains consistent on a biweekly basis.
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