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Old 03-12-24, 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by elcruxio
The thing about sealant is that while it's great and does prevent flats to an extent, it's not bulletproof. You do sometimes flat with sealant, which is why many people riding tubeless carry a spare tube in case their sealant and/or plug fails them. So if you do flat you just put a tube in and go on riding.
Now you tell me! Just converted my new-to-me Shiv to tubeless and had a puncture today the sealant wouldn't plug. Nor would the plug kit plug. Had to use my "phone a friend" option. Walked two miles before he picked me up, the whole time thinking "I probably should carry a spare tube just for **** like this."
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
Now you tell me! Just converted my new-to-me Shiv to tubeless and had a puncture today the sealant wouldn't plug. Nor would the plug kit plug. Had to use my "phone a friend" option. Walked two miles before he picked me up, the whole time thinking "I probably should carry a spare tube just for **** like this."
Was that dynaplugs? They’ve only failed me once

Did you rotate the wheel to pool the sealant at the bottom with the hole? I always find that helps a lot.
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Old 03-13-24, 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by choddo
Was that dynaplugs? They’ve only failed me once

Did you rotate the wheel to pool the sealant at the bottom with the hole? I always find that helps a lot.
Not Dynaplug. The problem was there was a second puncture that was right at the edge of the rim. I couldn't really tell until I got the tire home and pulled off the wheel. I did not try rotating it down although the holes were almost exactly 180* from the valve so just the act of attempting to fill the tire with my CO2 cartridge had the tire positioned so the holes were at the bottom.

Still new to tubeless so not really well versed on all the tips and tricks.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I ask the judges - is "gold card" an acceptable substitute for "platinum card" on the Tubular Loon Bingo card?
Gold card is the peasant card.

Centurian Card is the high roller's choice.
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Old 03-13-24, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
Gold card is the peasant card.

Centurian Card is the high roller's choice.
If you can get a Centurion card invite, you’re probably not concerned with wheel cost.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
Still new to tubeless so not really well versed on all the tips and tricks.
Tip: Buy non-tubeless tires, install a tube, pump to desired pressure.

Trick: Never think about tubeless again.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Tip: Buy non-tubeless tires, install a tube, pump to desired pressure.

Trick: Never think about tubeless again.
Clearly, you have not been keeping up with my life on this forum. The main reason I'm trying tubeless is I'm tired of single-handedly keeping tube manufacturers in business. I was getting punctures so often, I started to hate riding. Well, not riding. I enjoy the ride. It was always the inevitable roadside tube change I seemed to be performing on every single damn ride I went on.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
Clearly, you have not been keeping up with my life on this forum. The main reason I'm trying tubeless is I'm tired of single-handedly keeping tube manufacturers in business. I was getting punctures so often, I started to hate riding. Well, not riding. I enjoy the ride. It was always the inevitable roadside tube change I seemed to be performing on every single damn ride I went on.
And now you have a data point suggesting that tubeless won't solve your puncture problem, either.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
And now you have a data point suggesting that tubeless won't solve your puncture problem, either.
And that may be true. However, I did make it considerably further on this last ride than on many, many previous rides before a puncture. Could be total luck of the draw. Or it could be tubeless offeres higher resistance, but not invulnerability, to punctures. One data point is not enough from which to draw a conclusion.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
Clearly, you have not been keeping up with my life on this forum.
Funny.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
Clearly, you have not been keeping up with my life on this forum. The main reason I'm trying tubeless is I'm tired of single-handedly keeping tube manufacturers in business. I was getting punctures so often, I started to hate riding. Well, not riding. I enjoy the ride. It was always the inevitable roadside tube change I seemed to be performing on every single damn ride I went on.
Better roads are clearly the answer.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
And now you have a data point suggesting that tubeless won't solve your puncture problem, either.
Tubeless solved my puncture problems. So there’s another data point.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
Better roads are clearly the answer.
That would be ideal. But it's a trade off. I like living where I live now. Honestly, this problem is about the biggest drawback to living in a small, rural community.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
That would be ideal. But it's a trade off. I like living where I live now. Honestly, this problem is about the biggest drawback to living in a small, rural community.
There are lots of cyclists in small, rural communities that aren't plagued by flats.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
Not Dynaplug. The problem was there was a second puncture that was right at the edge of the rim. I couldn't really tell until I got the tire home and pulled off the wheel. I did not try rotating it down although the holes were almost exactly 180* from the valve so just the act of attempting to fill the tire with my CO2 cartridge had the tire positioned so the holes were at the bottom.

Still new to tubeless so not really well versed on all the tips and tricks.
sounds like maybe it was a pinch type flat? I’ve had a sidewall hole I couldn’t explain before. Maybe similar.

Definitely get some dynaplugs. They are amazing. Have run a tyre with two of those in it for months.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
That would be ideal. But it's a trade off. I like living where I live now. Honestly, this problem is about the biggest drawback to living in a small, rural community.
It's not a drawback in my small, rural community.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
Had to use my "phone a friend" option.
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Clearly, you have not been keeping up with my life on this forum.
Well, we are all glad that you are now finally riding with a mobile phone, albeit reluctantly.
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Originally Posted by choddo
sounds like maybe it was a pinch type flat? I’ve had a sidewall hole I couldn’t explain before. Maybe similar.

Definitely get some dynaplugs. They are amazing. Have run a tyre with two of those in it for months.
It absolutely looks like a snake bite, but I don't believe it was the original source for my loss of pressure. I ensured pressure was correct before I left in the morning and had just checked pressure by hand less than 30 minutes before this happened.

I have a theory that I had a puncture I did not feel that caused me to lose some air and shortly after that I hit something that caused this. This was on a long descent where I was maintaining 20+mph just by coasting so I was very much paying attention to how the bike felt.
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It's not a drawback in my small, rural community.
Poorly maintained roads are definitely a drawback here.
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Declaring that a person gets flats on these forums is the ultimate excuse for victim blaming. Forget any context regarding the situation surrounding the flat or those blessed individuals who never get flats and judge those who do. Some of us like riding on more supple performance tires for their ride quality as well as lively feel, while those who are flat adverse enjoy their dead garden hose tires. Even if there is a bit of a learning curve with Tubeless, which currently is minimal at best, I will take that any day of the week over the alternatives.
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Doesn't matter to me what people use, I just think it's asinine that some wheel makers are adament everyone should be on tubeless hookless rims. The cycling industry seems really fixated on removing options and choices. I don't know why, I feel cycling is a hobby and hobbies are more fun with choices and variations. Mechanical vs Electric, Rim vs Disc, Tubeless/Tube/Tub, clincher/hookless, I don't see why industry can provide the choices and let the rider choose. I get if if someone is capable they are able to find what they want, but just browsing a local shop, all the road bikes are the same regardless of brand, they all look the same too.
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Doesn't matter to me what people use, I just think it's asinine that some wheel makers are adament everyone should be on tubeless hookless rims. The cycling industry seems really fixated on removing options and choices. I don't know why, I feel cycling is a hobby and hobbies are more fun with choices and variations. Mechanical vs Electric, Rim vs Disc, Tubeless/Tube/Tub, clincher/hookless, I don't see why industry can provide the choices and let the rider choose. I get if if someone is capable they are able to find what they want, but just browsing a local shop, all the road bikes are the same regardless of brand, they all look the same too.
Trek's recent reset had a prominent goal of reducing SKUs.

"Any color you want, as long as it's black."
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir
Well, we are all glad that you are now finally riding with a mobile phone, albeit reluctantly.
I appreciate your sentiment but I assure you this will not become a normal occurrence for me. I knew this was going to be a longer than normal training ride. And I knew there was the potential for being stranded (or injured) as much as 20 miles away from my ride.

For my normal training rides of <30 miles in which I'm never more than 15 miles from home and rarely more than 5 miles from town, I have no intention of carrying my phone. I know most of you can't fathom that but I reject my eLeash as much and as often as I can.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
I appreciate your sentiment but I assure you this will not become a normal occurrence for me. I knew this was going to be a longer than normal training ride. And I knew there was the potential for being stranded (or injured) as much as 20 miles away from my ride.

For my normal training rides of <30 miles in which I'm never more than 15 miles from home and rarely more than 5 miles from town, I have no intention of carrying my phone. I know most of you can't fathom that but I reject my eLeash as much and as often as I can.
Mine is an iLeash, but at least it can be disabled via its power button.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
I appreciate your sentiment but I assure you this will not become a normal occurrence for me. I knew this was going to be a longer than normal training ride. And I knew there was the potential for being stranded (or injured) as much as 20 miles away from my ride.

For my normal training rides of <30 miles in which I'm never more than 15 miles from home and rarely more than 5 miles from town, I have no intention of carrying my phone. I know most of you can't fathom that but I reject my eLeash as much and as often as I can.
You are clearly a very capable and self-reliant individual so I think it’s entirely down to your own preferences and I kind of get the appeal of the sense of freedom. Personally I find them indispensable and it’s the one thing I never forget when I leave the house.

The work phone never comes anywhere with me at the weekend though.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
I appreciate your sentiment but I assure you this will not become a normal occurrence for me. I knew this was going to be a longer than normal training ride. And I knew there was the potential for being stranded (or injured) as much as 20 miles away from my ride.

For my normal training rides of <30 miles in which I'm never more than 15 miles from home and rarely more than 5 miles from town, I have no intention of carrying my phone. I know most of you can't fathom that but I reject my eLeash as much and as often as I can.
Just switch it off or into privacy mode while you ride. That one time you might just need it could be life saving or at the very least save you some unnecessary hassle.
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